(January 15, 2016 at 9:20 pm)ohreally Wrote:(January 15, 2016 at 5:05 pm)AAA Wrote: It's been said many times already, but it's the specified sequence of nucleotides and amino acids that are irregularly ordered and have a specific order that leads to a functional product. The intricate workings of the cells inner components is also something we look at. And the method to determine if it was designed is the method of historical sciences as outlined by Newton and comparing multiple competing hypothesis. We know that intelligence is capable of explaining these phenomena, but we have never observed these things coming from any other way.It's been said by you it looks designed. So what is the nucleotide sequence of something that is not designed?
Is there a text book you have perhaps that explains the theory of ID? I'm not interested in history or 300 year old philosophy. I want to learn about how ID works.
Bold emphasis my own. That is the only question that matters, in the above discussion.
Dembski's concept effectively designates anything complex as "must be designed", and thus self-confirms (by definition) that life must fit into his arbitrary category of "complex at ___ level = design". Dembski offers no solid basis for why the line is at a given point, explains no way in which his idea might be falsified.
Ohreally has struck the nail upon the head: the null hypothesis, by which the idea would be tested, would be "What is the nucleotide sequence of something (living) that is not designed?"
Dembski's ideas, as quoted by the ID proponents here, is an awkward attempt to give Paley's ideas a pseudo-mathematical smoke screen, to fool the layperson, which I would remind you is the stated mission of the Discovery Institute (and its fellow orgs) to which Dembski belongs.
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