Is Quran the proof of God?

[Sheed1980]

That's an interesting question my friend. What you must understand is that God doesn't need our help for anything. He says in the Qur'an He is free of all needs worthy of all praise. So God doesn't give us this information and tell us about paradise and hellfire for Himself. It's for us as His creatures. It's nothing in Paradise that will be a pleasure to Allah nor anything in Hell that can hurt Him. In paradise The food and drinks, and beauty and gold and jewels and sexual companions, mansions, perfect weather, no disease, no sickness or ill feelings towards one another. Sweet fragrances, being waited on, etc. All of these things and so many more are things that God has created us humans to love. So He promises us by living the right life and worshipping Him alone, seeking His forgiveness when we sin in this temporary life in the Hereafter we shall have whatever we desire for all eternity. And the rewards will be so much greater than anything we can imagine. But He gives us a comparison of things that we can relate to in this life. Just the same with hellfire.  Everybody knows how fire burns and what scalding water is. So He explains in detail certain punishment so we have an idea of what to compare it to in this life even though it will be worse than we could imagine so we know what we want to stay away from

I do understand you make a claim, yes. Your actions however defy your logic. If you claim he does not need humans help, then you should not have to be here and make an apology for your claim. I'd suggest that your god is not real, and the real reason you are here arguing is the same reason all religions argue for their positions, you like the idea of having a super hero. Ever consider that?

And sorry, if you value the idea of hell, that makes you immoral. "Hell" is not corrective, it is an act of revenge. I don't care if that threat is coming out of the Koran or Bible. It is an act of torture, the act of bully. In real life, morso in the west, we don't get to torture those we arrest. In the west we contain, and while not a perfect system, because we have our transgressions as well, IE Bush Jr. We value courts and we allow those convicted an opportunity to leave prison if they are not serving life without parole. Even with our death penalty, which I wish we would get rid of, even with that, we have an appeals system to allow for a reversal if a mistake has been made in a conviction.

If your claimed being cannot explain all this himself in person, or doesn't want to just because he can, fuck him. In the civil west, our powers are subject to review and removal if need be. The god/s of Abraham are not subject to that same checks on power, which makes humans his lab rats, his toys. I feel sorry for you if you think that lowly of yourself.

As I stated before we all have free will and are entitled to our own opinions and beliefs. So my friend To u be ur way of belief and to me be mine.