RE: Seeing red
January 18, 2016 at 10:01 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2016 at 10:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 18, 2016 at 9:51 pm)bennyboy Wrote:We're not having a discussion regarding the construction of a bridge, we're having a discussion regarding an explanation for the existence of the bridge, what it's built out of. Your current use of the word sufficient is equivocation, and your chosen analogy changes the subject.(January 18, 2016 at 9:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Materialism is sufficient for some things, some other "x" is required for others? So, dualism or special pleading?An "-ism" is a collection of ideas or beliefs. This is exactly what materialism is: a class collection of ideas. And in the context of building a bridge, then your ideas and beliefs will be sufficient for me to have the experience of successsfully building a bridge.
Quote:No, it can't explain psychogony, and must take mind as brute fact,but it does not have to take minds composition as a brute fact. "I think, therefore I am, and I know what I am." Didn't we agree?
Quote:as materialism must take the framework which allows the existence of stuff. The difference is that no sensible view of material is compatible with mind, as mind is not normally thought to be a material "thing," while the -ism to which you subscibe is ALREADY a set of ideas, and could not be thought to be otherwise.You do not agree with any of the many sensible material views of mind. Your status of agreement is not relevant to their status of existence.
Quote:This is the point you're not getting: Idealism is the simpler position, and materialism posits the extra underlying "reality"-- itself an idea.
Seems to me like your idealism is just materialism, "sub-sumed",and given a new name. Tell me how a car works, again, in this idealistic universe we live in?
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