RE: Seeing red
January 26, 2016 at 11:27 am
(This post was last modified: January 26, 2016 at 11:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 26, 2016 at 8:42 am)bennyboy Wrote:Would you prefer to have this discussion before or -after- a few shots of whiskey? Perhaps we could consume some hallucinogenic substances or beat our heads against a wall...and then, have this discussion. It hardly matters whether you think brain accounts for mind, ultimately, since any context or space which does not include the situations described above is obviously -not- the context or space in which experience is had. I think that we've done a little more than wave at the brain, you're going to refer to at least -some- of that waving......invariably.(January 26, 2016 at 7:20 am)Rhythm Wrote: That's strange, since the brain -is- the "space" in which this experience resides.
Mind/body and philosophical issues aside, this needs to be demonstrated. Waving at the brain and insisting it must be in there somewhere isn't enough.
Quote:Let's say you have neuron bundles coming from different parts of the brain. How does say, "tree appearance" pass from one part of the brain to another to be integrated with "bark smell"? Is there a tree-bark neural pathway, or is it a common "bus"? And if it's a common bus, how does one brain part's identification of "tree" get passed along non-visual systems to get integrated?I can't give you a tech schem of a brain. I can't give you a tech schem of a phone either. You probably don't have trouble accepting that whatever's going on is going on inside the phone, but you halt in the case of mind. You could find some very exacting "mechanical" descriptions of vision and the visual cortex (it's a heavily studied system), but I seriously doubt that any answer to the question posed above would satisfy that objection. You asked for a where, a what.....that we know. How, we don't.
Quote:Links or theories, please. Let's drop the babble and start talking about the brain, its parts, and specific, physical theories of how it works. My understanding is that there's a bunch of stuff happening all over the brain, and coordination, but not substantive coordination-- i.e. that only the visual cortext can process sight, but doesn't really send visual signals to other parts of the brain-- which aren't equipped to receive them.I've got to ask, why would it? You'd have to be -incredibly- specific.
What do you mean by substantive coordination and visual signals (I don't think that anyone expects a sort of handoff of images), and what are we taking this to imply? Comp mind would tell you that the visual cortex translates sensory inputs into actionable sets of variables. Similar to how a digital camera turns the patterns of light hitting its aperture into a file. There's an interesting division of labor apparent in that system, btw. Such that damage to a portion causes a predictable range of decrease in function within that division while the others remain intact. Color vision, as the easiest example...can be lost all on it's own.
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