RE: Global Warming - The New Socialism
March 15, 2009 at 7:28 am
(This post was last modified: March 15, 2009 at 8:02 am by athoughtfulman.)
That's fine. I'm not meaning to. I want to talk about climate change and figure out if it's actually happening or not - by examining the evidence, much like with religion. I believe global warming is bad science.
The debate about climate change never happened. Al Gore is constantly requested for debates about climate science, but he constantly refuses. He has made more than 100 million with his campaign, lives in a house that uses enough electricity to power numerous homes and has his limousine waiting outside conferences with the air conditioning on so it's cool when he gets in. His movie, An Inconvenient Truth was being shown in schools in England as a science film until someone took the issue to court at which the court declared it 'not scientific'.
Remember the Kyoto Agreement? How many scientists would it take to establish that a consensus on global warming does not exist? How's 32,000?
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs...niers.aspx
Many of the models scientists have been using to predict climate change are based on surface temperature figures. However, recent research reveals that surface temps misrepresent the actual temperature changes in the deep atmosphere. So what happens when we look at atmosphere temps? We find a declining temperature trend over the last decade with 2008 being colder than 2007.
Think about it. You believe in evolution right? The earth has existed for millions of years. Humans only arrived recently. However before us, the earth underwent numerous ice ages and various extinctions (the obvious example is the dinosaurs), so why would the earth suddenly be stressing about humans? The earth has already been cooling and warming in the last million years, and it'll keep doing it. It's a little vain to think us mere humans can change the earth's climate.
It's the sun. The earth's climate changes relative to activity to the sun. Makes sense doesn't it, seeing as it's the heater of our planet.
And even if we are heating up, what's the big worry? The earth was warmer a thousand years ago than it is now. We survived then, we'll survive now.
Or think about greenhouses. I always wondered what they were for. Turns out, people use a greenhouse to triple the amount of CO2 the plants are exposed to. So if there is actually more CO2 around today, and more on it's way, expect more food, expect it to be cheaper, expect forest to look greener,... wait, just expect everything to grow a whole lot better.
But if we're getting cold? It's a little more dire.
What are your thoughts?
A scientific consensus? Says who? The media says it and the governments say it. So I guess its understandable why most people believe in it. But what do the scientists say? Like I said above, 32000 scientists signed a petition urging the United States government that 'there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the earth's atmosphere and disruption of the earth's climate".
PS. I hope I don't sound like a w**ker. This is me learning how to defend what I believe in whilst trying to stimulate some healthy discussion
I don't mean to piss anyone off.
Absolutely! I'm all for cutting down on waste and fuel usage, it's a very smart thing to do. And we need to adapt, and learn to achieve more while using less. We need to protect our environment as much as can; there ain't many more planets like ours
I'm just against the idea the humans can cause global warming, and even that the earth is warming.
The debate about climate change never happened. Al Gore is constantly requested for debates about climate science, but he constantly refuses. He has made more than 100 million with his campaign, lives in a house that uses enough electricity to power numerous homes and has his limousine waiting outside conferences with the air conditioning on so it's cool when he gets in. His movie, An Inconvenient Truth was being shown in schools in England as a science film until someone took the issue to court at which the court declared it 'not scientific'.
Remember the Kyoto Agreement? How many scientists would it take to establish that a consensus on global warming does not exist? How's 32,000?
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs...niers.aspx
Many of the models scientists have been using to predict climate change are based on surface temperature figures. However, recent research reveals that surface temps misrepresent the actual temperature changes in the deep atmosphere. So what happens when we look at atmosphere temps? We find a declining temperature trend over the last decade with 2008 being colder than 2007.
Think about it. You believe in evolution right? The earth has existed for millions of years. Humans only arrived recently. However before us, the earth underwent numerous ice ages and various extinctions (the obvious example is the dinosaurs), so why would the earth suddenly be stressing about humans? The earth has already been cooling and warming in the last million years, and it'll keep doing it. It's a little vain to think us mere humans can change the earth's climate.
It's the sun. The earth's climate changes relative to activity to the sun. Makes sense doesn't it, seeing as it's the heater of our planet.
And even if we are heating up, what's the big worry? The earth was warmer a thousand years ago than it is now. We survived then, we'll survive now.
Or think about greenhouses. I always wondered what they were for. Turns out, people use a greenhouse to triple the amount of CO2 the plants are exposed to. So if there is actually more CO2 around today, and more on it's way, expect more food, expect it to be cheaper, expect forest to look greener,... wait, just expect everything to grow a whole lot better.
But if we're getting cold? It's a little more dire.
What are your thoughts?
(March 15, 2009 at 7:17 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Not trying to be funny but, whilst there are those who are w**kers about it (adopting it almost like a religion), there is pretty much scientific consensus that global warming is occurring.
Kyu
A scientific consensus? Says who? The media says it and the governments say it. So I guess its understandable why most people believe in it. But what do the scientists say? Like I said above, 32000 scientists signed a petition urging the United States government that 'there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the earth's atmosphere and disruption of the earth's climate".
PS. I hope I don't sound like a w**ker. This is me learning how to defend what I believe in whilst trying to stimulate some healthy discussion
I don't mean to piss anyone off.(March 15, 2009 at 7:21 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Our winters are shorter than when I was a kid, that's for sure. I'm very happy about this. The lack of decent snow doesn't make for happy kids is all. Summers in the UK are pathetic, we haven't even had a decent spring the past couple of years.
More of an issue concerning us all is the depletion of fossil fuel reserves.
The aims to cut down on waste and fuel usage seem very positive and I welcome them.
Absolutely! I'm all for cutting down on waste and fuel usage, it's a very smart thing to do. And we need to adapt, and learn to achieve more while using less. We need to protect our environment as much as can; there ain't many more planets like ours
I'm just against the idea the humans can cause global warming, and even that the earth is warming.
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