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Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 11, 2022 at 1:33 pm
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Forced socialization can be used to provide for a person's happiness, but at what cost? The person never learns how to rely on themselves to provide for their own happiness, leaving that person in a bad state if they should find themselves without friends or lovers. The term "socialism" implies the adherents of that system are going to be in a perpetual, even never ending state of being socialized, with the consequence that the adherents become slaves to their relationships.
This wouldn't be so bad, if it were not for the simple fact that people just naturally don't like being slaves. But should people even be allowed to determine their status as a free person or slave? Socialism doesn't give them the choice; people should be slaves, as a matter of fact and science. Socialism is something of a dead end for human evolution, as the endgame of that evolution, the full implementation of Socialism, has been reached.
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RE: Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 11, 2022 at 2:51 pm
There are various conceptions of what socialism is. What do you mean exactly by socialism? Are you talking about ownership of property here? Or government provisions, such as universal healthcare?
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RE: Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 12, 2022 at 7:45 am
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Marx and Engels, in The Manifesto, never advocated the complete abolition of private property. In addition, it is pure historical calumny to say that they despised all aspects of capitalism; rather, they were opposed to the social consequences of capitalism that were present in their day but admired capitalism for its industrialness and encouragement of ingenuity and personal achievement.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 12, 2022 at 7:56 am
I think he got around to reading/watching 1984.
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RE: Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 12, 2022 at 7:57 am
Oh, those poor, enslaved Norwegians!
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RE: Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 12, 2022 at 8:25 am
It's hard to argue with the infant mortality stat. In fact, the last that I read was that the United States and Cuba were in a dead heat for the World 39/40th spot in infant mortality.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 12, 2022 at 9:33 am
Quote:Oh, those poor, enslaved Norwegians!
Americans live wild and free, everyone out for themselves. Norwegians live more like domesticated animals. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's clearly working out for them.
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RE: Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 12, 2022 at 10:04 am
(February 12, 2022 at 9:33 am)Ahriman Wrote: Quote:Americans live wild and free, everyone out for themselves. Norwegians live more like domesticated animals. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's clearly working out for them.
This is how Americans like to think of themselves. In my experience I've found that my time is much freer if I don't have to work all the time to pay for health insurance.
Genuine eccentrics, and people who devote their lives to non-money-making passions, benefit from having a society where you can be poor but secure.
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RE: Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 12, 2022 at 10:15 am
(February 12, 2022 at 10:04 am)Belacqua Wrote: (February 12, 2022 at 9:33 am)Ahriman Wrote:
This is how Americans like to think of themselves. In my experience I've found that my time is much freer if I don't have to work all the time to pay for health insurance.
Genuine eccentrics, and people who devote their lives to non-money-making passions, benefit from having a society where you can be poor but secure.
Public, socialized healthcare is more efficient and effective, less paperwork and less bureaucracy.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Socialism, The "Forced Happy" Religion
February 12, 2022 at 10:18 am
(February 12, 2022 at 10:15 am)Jehanne Wrote: (February 12, 2022 at 10:04 am)Belacqua Wrote: This is how Americans like to think of themselves. In my experience I've found that my time is much freer if I don't have to work all the time to pay for health insurance.
Genuine eccentrics, and people who devote their lives to non-money-making passions, benefit from having a society where you can be poor but secure.
Public, socialized healthcare is more efficient and effective, less paperwork and less bureaucracy. Also much less of a challenge to live through.......
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