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Cultural Appropriation
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RE: Cultural Appropriation
(January 26, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Aegon Wrote: You're saying that the differences between the 3,000 different sects of Christianity and the differences in the beliefs of every individual Christian and how many different things a Christian could believe from their own religion and how it could or could not affect their opinions on other matters is less complex than this topic? No. A blanket statement about Christians is almost always bound to be incorrect. Yet I see it all the time here. But nobody calls anyone out for it. Perhaps because they agree with the poster.

Here is a blanket statement about Christians that is true: They believe in the God of Abraham. Here's another one: They believe that without accepting Jesus Christ as your Saviour, you are Hell-bound. You will have noticed, hopefully, that I haven't delved into detail.

You, however, are delving into detail which you cannot know when you argue that people who reject your definition of cultural appropriation are doing so because they want to be "pricks".

Hopefully, you see the difference.

(January 26, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Aegon Wrote: Explain to me how my "assumption" was "baseless."

Because you aren't inside the mind of the person who disagrees with you, and can only assume the reason you ascribe to their not agreeing with you.

(January 26, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Aegon Wrote: You don't agree that there are people who hate the politically correct culture because it inhibits their ability to be racist/bigoted?

I didn't say that. Can you perhaps read what I wrote, rather than what your filters permit you to think? Strawmen are rude things to cast upon someone, and I don't like rudeness, myself.

(January 26, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Aegon Wrote: I don't know why that that statement in particular is any more baseless than anything anyone else in this thread has said (see: another user say something along the lines of "Cultural appropriation is a made up thing by SJWs to moan about something") It's not an assumption though. Donald Trump has an influx of racist supporters who are supporting his anti-PC rhetoric for the very reasons I stated: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dona...d3359dc41a 

There are fallacies on both sides, to be sure. That doesn't excuse yours.

(January 26, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Aegon Wrote: As for your post earlier, IIRC I didn't have much to say in response. We're talking about different types of cultural appropriation, as you stated. Though I'd argue that blues and jazz being played by white guys is cultural exchange more so than cultural appropriation. I'm talking about forms of cultural appropriation than are more obviously offensive and harmful to the culture.

[Emphasis added -- Thump]

It's good to see you adding nuance to your position. Pity that you're so resistant to simply using the words that have already been assigned meaning for those phenomena, such as bigotry, racist assholes, or idiots.

By ascribing each act of cultural interchange to "cultural appropriation", the nuances get smeared -- as do the people who enjoy a wide variety of cultural influences. If you are going to smear people for doing such, you're going to get pushback.

Acting as if the PC definition of "cultural appropriation" is the only legitimate definition, you are yourself painting with too broad a brush. People have different reasons for adopting different forms of social expression. I do think that a good segment of the left in America is personally and emotionally invested in appearing to be on the "right" side of any issue (in terms of PC) to an extent that they betray their own standards. Thinking that a member of one culture is better able to voice the offense of a member of another culture is itself rather demeaning, don't you agree? Are they not able to speak for themselves? Dr King was not white, nor Malcolm X, nor Gandhi. Who are you that your voice carries more weight? It's great that you have an opinion. It's even better that you want minorities and indigenous people to be treated fairly. But it doesn't carry the same weight, for me, as my biracial son's, or neice's, or nephew's. You know why? Because you will never experience the bigotry they do, you do not share their culture, and beating your breast in offense looks an awful lot like grandstanding from this white member of an interracial family's perspective. How, exactly, are you entitled to speak for them?

Your opinion is an opinion. Assuming people disagree with you only because "they want to be pricks" is self-righteous bullshit. You don't know a goddamned thing about the people you're engaging in discussion, and if you had half-a-brain, you'd limit your conversation to what you know, unflattering though that might be.

We'll see how that works out for you. Until then, your insulting assumptions will be pointed out, and if you don't like it, fuck off.

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Cultural Appropriation - by BrokenQuill92 - January 23, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Longhorn - January 23, 2016 at 3:27 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Aegon - January 24, 2016 at 9:30 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Lemonvariable72 - January 24, 2016 at 11:45 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Bob Kelso - January 24, 2016 at 11:36 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 3:31 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 3:40 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 3:43 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 3:46 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 3:48 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by ignoramus - January 24, 2016 at 4:18 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 4:22 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 4:25 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Whateverist - January 24, 2016 at 7:49 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 7:53 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by ignoramus - January 24, 2016 at 4:30 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 4:32 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by ignoramus - January 24, 2016 at 4:39 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 24, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 4:38 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 4:44 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 5:51 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Whateverist - January 24, 2016 at 7:52 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 4:41 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by SteelCurtain - January 24, 2016 at 4:48 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 4:48 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by SteelCurtain - January 24, 2016 at 4:55 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 4:56 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by SteelCurtain - January 24, 2016 at 4:57 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 4:58 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by ignoramus - January 24, 2016 at 5:21 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Whateverist - January 24, 2016 at 7:54 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 7:58 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by SteelCurtain - January 24, 2016 at 5:08 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 5:14 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 5:27 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by SteelCurtain - January 24, 2016 at 5:34 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Whateverist - January 24, 2016 at 7:56 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by ignoramus - January 24, 2016 at 5:35 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by SteelCurtain - January 24, 2016 at 5:43 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 6:00 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by paulpablo - January 24, 2016 at 9:18 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 6:06 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 6:09 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by bennyboy - January 24, 2016 at 7:07 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 7:23 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by bennyboy - January 24, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Whateverist - January 24, 2016 at 8:00 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 8:01 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by ignoramus - January 24, 2016 at 9:58 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by robvalue - January 25, 2016 at 6:48 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Whateverist - January 24, 2016 at 8:03 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Ravenshire - February 6, 2016 at 2:02 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by BrokenQuill92 - January 24, 2016 at 9:34 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Dystopia - January 24, 2016 at 10:22 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 24, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Dystopia - January 24, 2016 at 10:31 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 25, 2016 at 1:57 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Thumpalumpacus - January 24, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Dystopia - January 24, 2016 at 10:39 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Thumpalumpacus - January 25, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Dystopia - January 25, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Thumpalumpacus - January 25, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Sal - January 24, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Lemonvariable72 - January 24, 2016 at 4:28 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by bennyboy - January 24, 2016 at 10:23 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Dystopia - January 24, 2016 at 10:32 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by ignoramus - January 24, 2016 at 11:00 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Reforged - January 24, 2016 at 10:55 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Dystopia - January 24, 2016 at 11:19 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Reforged - January 25, 2016 at 3:20 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Dystopia - January 25, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 25, 2016 at 11:42 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Bob Kelso - January 24, 2016 at 11:49 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Aegon - January 25, 2016 at 12:23 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Lemonvariable72 - January 25, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Aegon - January 25, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Lemonvariable72 - January 26, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Silver - January 25, 2016 at 2:55 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Brian37 - January 25, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Regina - January 25, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Dystopia - January 27, 2016 at 7:45 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by account_inactive - January 25, 2016 at 7:38 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Rev. Rye - January 25, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Aegon - January 26, 2016 at 3:12 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by TheRealJoeFish - January 26, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Thumpalumpacus - January 26, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Aegon - January 26, 2016 at 5:30 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Thumpalumpacus - January 26, 2016 at 7:21 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Aegon - January 26, 2016 at 7:50 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by bennyboy - January 26, 2016 at 8:41 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Lemonvariable72 - January 27, 2016 at 8:30 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Thumpalumpacus - January 27, 2016 at 4:30 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Aegon - January 27, 2016 at 6:34 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Thumpalumpacus - January 27, 2016 at 8:26 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by bennyboy - January 28, 2016 at 4:57 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Regina - January 26, 2016 at 6:12 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by BrokenQuill92 - January 26, 2016 at 6:48 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Alex K - January 27, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Lemonvariable72 - January 27, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Eseka - January 27, 2016 at 8:41 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by BrokenQuill92 - January 31, 2016 at 12:51 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Whateverist - January 31, 2016 at 1:25 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by BrokenQuill92 - January 31, 2016 at 1:59 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by paulpablo - January 31, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Bob Kelso - January 31, 2016 at 8:55 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by BrokenQuill92 - February 6, 2016 at 1:20 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by TheRealJoeFish - February 6, 2016 at 1:40 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Bob Kelso - February 6, 2016 at 2:15 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by paulpablo - February 6, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Athene - February 7, 2016 at 4:33 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by bennyboy - February 7, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Rev. Rye - February 5, 2016 at 10:15 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Thumpalumpacus - February 6, 2016 at 5:20 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Bob Kelso - February 6, 2016 at 6:50 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Fidel_Castronaut - February 6, 2016 at 8:10 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by bennyboy - February 6, 2016 at 11:07 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by bennyboy - February 6, 2016 at 2:49 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Athene - February 6, 2016 at 7:41 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Bob Kelso - February 6, 2016 at 10:50 pm
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by Fidel_Castronaut - February 7, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: Cultural Appropriation - by bennyboy - February 7, 2016 at 9:20 am

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