RE: Seeing red
January 30, 2016 at 6:45 am
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2016 at 6:56 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 30, 2016 at 2:47 am)bennyboy Wrote: I'm investigating a new set of ideas, not rooted in my ideas about idealism. I'm trying to look at this through a materialist world view and see if it sheds any new light on things for me.......and you think that materialists have a definition or description for ideas or mind that cannot distinguish between those things and a rock? I doubt that you're going to have any light shone on something if you don't shine some yourself.
Quote:Everything in the brain is an expression of organic chemistry, too. It is the organization which represents ideas, according to you, no?It is, and if it were the same expression -or- organization of the same stuff there'd be no need to call dna "dna" and ideas "ideas". We could call them both fleeflarps. You;ve already expressed every criticism I could make of these comments -yourself-. A boat and an airplane aren't the same thing, even though they're both made of metal. Certain expressions, certain reasons. This was a pointless non-objection in defense of a pointless non-definition..........
Quote:Well, if we are talking about physics rather than qualia, then DNA both represents an interaction between things and events, and serves as the formative pattern for new life. I'd certainly categorize that as an idea, since it's essentially memory + "will."Whats makes you think that we can talk physics -rather- than qualia? All things of which we are aware seem to interact between things and events. If this made dna and ideas the same thing it makes -everything- the same and we can throw in the towel with all this naming business. I see no will in dna. Show us this will? A memory state, sure, I can run with that...but you know I'm a comp mind guy,and you need more than memory to make a comp system. Do you expect a memory cell to have ideas? I don't. My cup of coffee is an effective memory cell (and it's made of the same stuff too, way way down, as dna, bonus!). In all the time I've known it it hasn't given me the slightest reason to think it either possesses a single idea or is an idea....and buddy, me and that cup are close, we share alot of time together and I'm certain I'd have noticed by now.
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