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TBR starts The Quran Reloaded!
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RE: TBR starts The Quran Reloaded!
(January 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The deceit of Satan is weak. 
But humans themselves are created weak.

How did you quantify weakness? Satan is pretty strong compared to humans. There are no hormones involved in weakness like there are with emotions like love and anger, before anyone says how can emotions be quantified.

Quranically speaking, you could argue that al-Saud and their henchmen are the work of the Shaytan because of Quran 5:91 "Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?"

Did you know that people fighting in Syria take drugs as stimulants to help them fight? Captagon is an "intoxicant", and like the Quran say, it is fueling war between the Ummah. Obviously, I don't think that the Quran is divine, but for those who do then I think it's a pretty strong case for Satan being quite powerful.

These "intoxicants" (amphetamines) are allowing people to fight longer and harder, as the Quran says will happen thanks to the power of the Shaytan. Did the fighting stop during Ramadan like it should have done? No. Then again, I'm not sure where this idea of stopping fighting as soon as the clock strikes midnight on the last day before Ramadan starts came from.

(January 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Though, we can hold against it; resist. But without God, we are doomed against Satan.
I dunno. Allah has killed so many more people than the devils have done. Let's see: Noah's flood, Egyptians plagues and everyone struck by lightning because Allah willed it (Quran 13:13*). And that's missing out on a lot of deaths directly as a result of Allah's micromanagement I'm sure.

*Quran 13:13 "Nay, thunder repeateth His praises, and so do the angels, with awe: He flingeth the loud-voiced thunder-bolts, and therewith He striketh whomsoever He will.. yet these (are the men) who (dare to) dispute about Allah, with the strength of His power (supreme)!"

(January 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: You can refer the number of souls losing the race, but you didn't refer to the other souls that defeated the demon. Blaming him totally is wrong, because we won't commit the negative action unless we by our own selves, agree and decide to take Satan's advice.
Well people from the Ummah have no problem blaming spiritual entities for their problems, and people do conduct exorcisms. And, by the way, if Saran is so weak then why should humans worry about the devils? Or is the Shaytan really not that weak? People do exorcisms they believe the devils are strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGX8A5_9-So

(January 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: God is just. If he was a dictator -as many claim-, he would do what you exactly suggested, MNMP : not create Satan- Connect humans to ropes like dummies - move us around like sheep; like the puppets we are.

But if the universe is designed, as many claim, Allah created, and maintains, the rules - like a totalitarian dictator does. The universe has not been left to its own devices according to the Quran. Allah intervenes. I've already mentioned Quran 13:13, Noah's flood and the Egyptians, but there's more: If Allah is saying "you'll go to the hellfire if you don't agree with me" that's like Hitler. Hitler sent people who didn't agree with him to the camps, which are like the hellfire. Or it's like the Mafia: Give me what I think I deserve or I will inflict serious pain on you.

(January 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Our weakness is not bad. It's a two edged weapon. After all, one of the main reason for believing in God, is human weakness.
So, Allah made humans weak so it could 'stroke its ego'? I'm still trying to get my head around the point of creating anything. Why does Allah need us humans? Does Allah become more powerful the more people do Salat everyday?

(January 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: God knew that Satan would rebel, but he also knew that Satan would be a good creature for a very long time (before it turns into a demon), God gave Satan its chance.
For the sake of all humanity Allah could have done the right thing and stopped it from becoming a demon. It seems as though Allah created the Shaytan with the purpose of misleading humanity? Does the Quran kit say that Allah only guides whom it will?

You know, if I was a devil I would have never have rebelled, knowing the power of Allah. Does the Shaytan think that it can win against Allah? Can you explain to me the point of delaying the win of Allah?

(January 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: He gave us an opportunity to live. All of us agreed to this life, and in this life, he -God- created other beings who also have the ability to think, like Satan.
God is not a puppet master, and life is not a show for puppets.

Not everyone agreed to this life. That's silly. The starving Syrian children, surely would not agree to come into their miserable lives if you asked them before they were born. If you showed Allan Kurdi his fate, do you think he would have agreed to that? He had his fifteen minutes of fame and them people went back to not caring.

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TBR starts The Quran Reloaded! - by robvalue - January 24, 2016 at 7:26 am
RE: TBR starts The Quran Reloaded! - by robvalue - January 26, 2016 at 3:32 am
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RE: TBR starts The Quran Reloaded! - by MysticKnight - January 27, 2016 at 1:32 pm
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RE: TBR starts The Quran Reloaded! - by robvalue - January 26, 2016 at 6:55 pm
RE: TBR starts The Quran Reloaded! - by WinterHold - January 27, 2016 at 6:16 am
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RE: TBR starts The Quran Reloaded! - by ReptilianPeon - January 30, 2016 at 7:00 pm
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