(March 15, 2009 at 2:15 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: as I said in the first instance the general scientific consensus appears to be the global warming is real and it is largely caused by human pollution and this petition appears to be nothing more than a fake.
Ok, I had a look into it and it seems you're right. We'll leave that 'petition' alone then unless evidence shows it to be real.
Just a few points I think it's important to mention:
- Science isn't about consensus and it never was. If it were, it never would have gone anywhere. Every time a scientist proposes a new theory, the general consensus is usually that they are wrong. For example, take Einstein. He wrote four papers in 1905 that history has come to call the 'Annus Mirabilis Papers'. Today they are recognised as a massive achievement and hence 1905 is known as Einstein's golden year. At the time, they were not noticed by most physicists as being important, and many physicists rejected them outright. The consensus was against him. However, cience (the observable facts) was on his side, as history has shown. So whatever the consensus is on global warming, it should not affect the science.
- Also, science is based on observable facts. However, global warming is based on computer models. Now whether you believe the data they input is correct or not, or that they are using their agenda to build the computer models, the fact remains that a computer model is not an observable fact, it is just a computer model.
With that in mind, I don't find much of a case for human-induced climate change.
However, like everyone has mentioned, we need to be responsible with the way we use fossil fuels, and how much pollution we put into the atmosphere. This should be a priority regardless of the state of the climate.
Suppose for a moment that the earth wasn't warming at all. What if mainstream society was wrong, and the earth is about to get colder? Yet, because of the widespread belief that the earth was warming, we are taking the opposite measures that we should to avoid catastrophe. Some believe that the new restrictions placed on business and trade due to climate change are killing the economy and are for a large part responsible for the current financial situation. If the world is cooling, we're on our way to destroying the world's economy while being completely ill prepared for what was actually about to happen.
The situation would be much more dire than that of a warming earth, in which life flourishes. All of a sudden, millions of acres of farmland is available closer to the poles due to warming, resulting in more food, less poverty and a larger, overall wellbeing of the world.
This is why I don't believe in global warming because the media tells me it is. Governments are handing out grants to numerous scientific organisations arguing for global warming, hence they have more funding to send their message to the public.
I know I'm in a minority. I'm just trying to figure out what's actually science, and what's actually political agenda.
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