RE: TBR starts The Quran Reloaded!
February 1, 2016 at 5:37 pm
(This post was last modified: February 1, 2016 at 5:40 pm by ReptilianPeon.)
(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's pretty contradicting to cite the strength of something, yet ask how weakness is quantified in relation to it.
If the context is known, then weakness and strength can be easily identified.
I think I was asking how strong/weak do you think Satan is compared to humans? I don't recall citing strength, just making an observation.
(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Coming back to what we've been discussing, quantifying strengh or weakness depends on your source: as Satan is invisible to me, then I have to listen to somebody who can see it: in this case, I'm taking God's POV about it.Do you think a hatred of Satan could introduce bias into the scripture? Allah hates Satan right? If Allah is capable of anything then lying is a possibility, correct? Can Allah lie?
(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I didn't get what you mean by hormones.Religionists often use "you can't see love so how do you know it exists" as argument when they ambush people in the street. So I say there are ways of determining love. Hormones are good way to see if someone is in love.
(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: As for the verse you quoted, the verse specifically refers to alcohol, AKA (Khamr = خمر), in Arabic, the word "Khamr" which is mentioned in the verse, refers specifically to that. Probably a Sunni source added that "S" to the translation. Everywhere I go I see this disgusting forgery, I'm an Arab so it's insulting. They translate "Khamr" which is a singular, to "Intoxicants", just to match their Fatawa. In Arabic it's read as a singular word "Khamr" which literally means "alcohol/wine/...etc", these brands, the alcoholic drinks."Probably a Sunni source added that "S" to the translation"
Incorrect! In case you don't know, unless I'm poking fun at Sahih International (the Saudi funded translation), I always use Abdullah Yusuf Ali. Abdullah Yusuf Ali was always Shia; he was never anything else (i.e. Sunni). He was born in 1873 in India.
Abdullag Yusuf Ali was a good man. He lived in England for a time (before Sharia courts started invading England) so I'm pretty sure he was influenced by any Fatwas. I simply assumed that the translation would use the word "alcohol" if it was referring to ancohol only. If you want to get mad at Quran translations get mad at the ones done within the last thirty years, because they have been corrupted by the science in the Quran narrative and are really dishonest.
(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: And again, MNMP, the Quran is a book. Quoting one verse can sometimes lead to misunderstanding. The verse before this one said :I suspect that people will say that you're Kuffar if you think alcohol is anything less than "don't do it". Wine is big in Tunisia, but they're mostly secular. There may actually be some health benefits to consuming certain types of alcohol, but I can't see any justification for gambling, other than it can be fun. And when I say gambling I'm thinking of casino gambling.
(Sura 5 Verse 90 ) O you who have believed, indeed, Khamr, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
God said avoid. He didn't say "don't do it". The problem is in gambleing and drinking when they are committed together. By my guest and play a poker game with a group of young drunk fellas ( and get drunk with them)
It turns bloody sometimes and people are losing fortunes to such act, to the level of having therapies for quitting gambling, and alcohol too. So Allah didn't porhibit us from a bad thing.
(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Ah, I know that alcohol & drugs are everywhere in Syria. Maybe that's why civilians are falling like flies. That's not the best example, MNMP.
After all, I have nothing against drugs like Marijuana. But alcohol ? That's just poison (literally; hence its name), it's sick, it causes disasters (from domestic abuse to car accidents).
Alcohol is much more dangerous than Hashish so I never understood why people ban Hashish. I heard it was because the Mexican immigrants smoked it and they didn't like that. Then Opium got banned because Chinese immigrants. And you get the idea.
Here you go, I think it's interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONAqaxgIoo
Anyway, the Quran is full of threats to humans by Allah. But I'm not scared, and I don't see why I should worship such a bully. And you even said Allah doesn't need humans. So what's the point of all this? Is it just a sick game for Allah?
Allah just sits on a throne all day watching us suffer. That's just like al-Saud. And we all know what al-Saud and their henchmen are like. If Allah is so strong then it should stop people from drawing Muhammad, but instead it is left to the henchmen of al-Saud to kill people who draw cartoons of Muhammad.
Rather than send down a copy of the Quran from heaven Allah had to chose the awkward way to reveal. it. And the funny thing is, Muhammad is just like Zarathustra, who came nearly 2000 years before him, if not more.
Here are the similarities between Zarathustra and Muhammad:
1. Zarathustra preached Tawhid (monotheism).
2. Started gradually getting revelations from an angel of god in his thirties.
3. Fought against Pagans
4. The Magi, who are in power at the time, offered Zarathustra anything he wanted if only he would stop preaching monotheism.
5. Zarathustra also talked about the fall of man.
6. In fact, if you look at Zarathustrian creation story, it's just like Bible/Quran. When the evil spirit refuses to praise god's creation, it sounds exactly like Satan refusing to bow to Adam, and I quote:
The Evil Spirit snarled, "Why should I aid your creatures? Why should I praise them? I am more powerful! I will destroy you and your creatures for ever and ever."
7. After all of the other animals, god created one man, Gayomard and some of his bones eventually grow into a woman.
Just trying to say the Quran is not original.