Christoid Logic

[Jenny A]

Care to expand upon that?

Formal and final causes.

Obfuscation by nomenclature. You know perfectly well that for purposes of discussing whether cause is temporial that we are discussing efficient cause. Declaring the universe or life, for that matter, has a final cause begs the question of a creator as it assumes that everything has a purpose. And it still doesn't provide an efficient cause. Formal cause assumes that natural laws proscribe rather than describe the world. Only purely abstract concepts like triangles have a formal but not an efficient cause.