Seeing red

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm guessing you probably dream in binary right? I'd like to too...

It gets to be a problem.  Popping up at 3 am like a shot and babbling to the wife about my new carry look ahead (which all look identical to her).  

It'll be nice sharing schems with you, once I've made some. and I'm quite looking forward to seeing your random number generator in action cos that looks pretty cool I've always wanted to understand electronics and this looks like the perfect way to do it - ie virtually, in software, rather than with real chips and circuitboards... cheaper that way and more scope I'd guess - and I also enjoy logic puzzles and this I'm sure will be kind of like that, but I'll be learning something, and hopefully a lot, in the process

It's definitely cheaper, lol.  I cant hand solder to save my life......so I end up wasting some money anytime I want to do anything in the real world.  I always had a wave soldering vat, right next to my unsecured ammonia etcher......lol, which was adjacent to the hot oil bath and the molten lead air knife (which was operated with oven mitts...with roosters on them).    

QC people though, impressive hand solderers.  Got into it when I was a minor, in a factory full of political refugees from Laos.  Stepdad knew the owner since childhood, he'd been in charge of electroplating since the place opened it's doors and ten bucks an hour was a princely sum (the minimum wage wasn't even 5 then).  It was very important to me, and to mine..me and my stapdad worked in the same place, everything we (my mom, my sister and my brother) had came from PCB's and Jims little shop.  To say I dream in binary is putting it lightly, it's the context of my childhood and early adulthood. It kept me from being a poor beach bum not once, but twice.

We did rapid prototyping.  So...if you ever come up with a badass NN, and you think you may want to actually build them for profit...remember that old rhythm here is acquainted, from the bottom all the way up to line management, with small proto houses and global industry leaders in making your digital dreams come true....lol.  I also still have my security clearance, DoD contracts ftw. You'll need somebody to crack the whip while you sit in your office and count your filthy lucre, like Ole Jim. Last time I could make any money in the industry was a decade ago, running Q-Logic, Cisco, and DoD Avionics lines for Jabil. Hell, if your NN was accidentally good at being a credit card reader...you could be sitting on millions, lol. Just need a proto.......

@Benny.

That's because the ability of a system to express the functions of boolean operations is what counts, not the manner in which it arrives at them (even if that manner is entirely chance). If "chaos" is fueling the comp the assemblies are no more or less logic gates than any other. Machine logic is not "logical" in the way we normally take the word to mean. It really is just a series of reference to brute facts of existence and interaction.

You probably think..that the mind/brain cannot be modeled in some particular type of logic gate....and I can see why you would think so, but it's a law of comp principle that any comp system can be built by repitition of just one universal gate in -any- implementation. Building the system that way won't guarantee identical operation, though. I think that neurons are more powerful than the digital or analog gates you might find in any of your devices, and I think that "mind" depends upon structures that are as robust as neurons, far more robust than our current machine architectures. It's unlikely that we're built like a tablet pc, or an old cell phone. I've told you many times, comp explains the principles leveraged..the implementation is the real kicker.

If mind is -doing- comp..even if that's not all mind is...if comp cant fully explain mind... it -still- has logic gates in it, it uses comp, if it didn't.......it couldn't comp. They don't -have- to built like any gate you are familiar with, or I am familiar with, but it would be damned nice of them if they were, so we could learn about them a little easier. The principles of comp however (so inconvenient above), anticipate the existence or possible construction of gates to which we are currently ignorant. They would work, but we don't know how to make them, or they do work..and we're not -entirely- sure how. I suppose, in a nutshell, I'm proposing the neurons represent the existence of just such a gate, or gate assembly.