RE: Antitheism
February 6, 2016 at 12:57 am
(This post was last modified: February 6, 2016 at 1:02 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(February 5, 2016 at 11:37 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:(February 5, 2016 at 3:33 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'd wager that the Abrahamic god is also unprovable and unfalsifiable. At least, that's how his followers behave.(Emphasis mine.)
Also, some forms of deism subscribe to the belief that the Universe itself is god. That idea has meaning too, even if it is unknowable or unfalsifiable.
Yep. Except I wasn't talking about the Abrahamic God in particular. All beliefs in god are unprovable and unfalsifiable, as they are presented to us(I shouldn't have to add this caveat, it should be obvious). But a theistic God(no matter from which religion it is) insofar as it is purported to relate to the universe in any meaningful way holds some real meaning, even though said meaning is terribly misplaced and thus misleading. A deistic God purports something to exist that, by its very definition, doesn't. So it's a contradiction in terms.
Why does a "theistic god" (whatever you might mean by that) have more meaning that a deistic god?
They are each, and all, unprovable. This is probably why -- are you sitting down? you should sit down -- they haven't been proven. They are also each and all unfalsifiable, insofar as they are all claimed to exist in some non-Earthly place not subject to scientific inquiry.
Both deist and theist conceptions of god "purport something to exist which, by its very definition, doesn't. So they're both contradictions in terms." That is, according to your "logic". Do you think plans are meaningless? They are preconceived notions which exist nowhere outside the heads of planners. But when those planners take action based on their thoughts -- plans -- do you still think those plans are meaningless? The idea that a "theistic god" has more meaning because of how it is asserted to relate to the universe is silly. A deist god has exactly the same relation described when it is asserted that the deist god is the universe. You're being argumentative for no good reason, and demonstrating again why interacting with you is such a waste of time.
Quote:All forms of belief in a creating God imply that the Universe is God. Few of them explicitly say so.
lol, "all"? You're too funny.
Quote:Just because certain ideas exist, doesn't mean they make any sense.
The sensibility of any given statement relies upon the thinker as well as the idea. Just because an idea is wrong doesn't mean it is incomprehensible. The fact that you confuse the two reveals a deep weakness in your thinking.
You'll deny that, of course, and you'll spend 428 words explaining why you're right. But at the end of the day, your explanation will be meaningless.
See how that works?