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Christoid Logic
RE: Christoid Logic
(February 7, 2016 at 2:31 am)Alex K Wrote:
(February 5, 2016 at 11:25 am)alpha male Wrote: He may not have presented it well, but his point is valid. 

If I allow that an eternally existing god is possible, then yes, I must allow that an eternally existing universe is also possible. If the evidence indicated that the universe has existed eternally, or back when we didn't have evidence one way or another on that question, your counter argument was fine. But, now that the evidence indicates that the universe has a beginning, that counter argument no longer holds.

1.No, the evidence doesn't really show that. The evidence suggests something like inflation in the early phase, and no one knows what was at the beginning of that.
2. Even if it did have a temporal beginning as seen from inside, it would not present a paradox of creation ex nihilo

That's ad hoc and disingenuous. If I asked how old the universe, I'd get an answer of whatever number of billions of years is currently correct. No one would say we don't know.
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Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 7:32 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:32 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Angrboda - February 3, 2016 at 7:39 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:49 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jackalope - February 3, 2016 at 7:43 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 7:51 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jackalope - February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jackalope - February 3, 2016 at 8:02 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Angrboda - February 3, 2016 at 8:09 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jenny A - February 3, 2016 at 11:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jenny A - February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 4, 2016 at 5:37 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 7:54 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:57 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Aroura - February 3, 2016 at 11:16 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 4, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jackalope - February 3, 2016 at 7:59 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 4, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Grandizer - February 4, 2016 at 11:14 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by downbeatplumb - February 4, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by RobbyPants - February 17, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by MysterMenace - February 19, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 3, 2016 at 7:35 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:41 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 4, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:53 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by TanithDaUnicorn - February 3, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by dyresand - February 3, 2016 at 8:25 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by TanithDaUnicorn - February 8, 2016 at 3:25 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 3, 2016 at 8:03 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Minimalist - February 3, 2016 at 8:06 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 3, 2016 at 8:21 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 3, 2016 at 9:25 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 9:27 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:32 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by rexbeccarox - February 3, 2016 at 9:39 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by The Valkyrie - February 3, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:32 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 3, 2016 at 9:27 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by dyresand - February 3, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 8:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:37 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:39 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 9:13 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:18 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:15 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:41 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 8:44 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:52 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:56 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:58 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by dyresand - February 3, 2016 at 9:15 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 9:15 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:20 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 9:23 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by The Valkyrie - February 3, 2016 at 9:19 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:25 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Homeless Nutter - February 3, 2016 at 9:26 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 9:14 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by The Valkyrie - February 3, 2016 at 9:22 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 9:24 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:29 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Homeless Nutter - February 3, 2016 at 9:52 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:56 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 9:58 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Homeless Nutter - February 3, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 10:02 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 3, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Pat Mustard - February 17, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 17, 2016 at 10:12 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 10:31 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by KevinM1 - February 3, 2016 at 10:37 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 3, 2016 at 10:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 4, 2016 at 2:00 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Pat Mustard - February 17, 2016 at 5:22 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 19, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 11:47 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Pat Mustard - February 17, 2016 at 4:46 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 17, 2016 at 10:51 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 4, 2016 at 1:25 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 4, 2016 at 1:30 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Athene - February 4, 2016 at 2:23 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:36 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 4, 2016 at 6:48 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 5, 2016 at 10:53 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Ravenshire - February 4, 2016 at 2:24 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 4, 2016 at 6:13 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 4, 2016 at 12:00 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 4, 2016 at 12:04 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 4, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Athene - February 4, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Ivan Denisovich - February 4, 2016 at 2:33 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Athene - February 4, 2016 at 2:42 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by robvalue - February 4, 2016 at 4:25 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Athene - February 4, 2016 at 11:12 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by robvalue - February 4, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 4, 2016 at 9:43 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jenny A - February 4, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 4, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 4, 2016 at 3:13 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by FatAndFaithless - February 4, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 4, 2016 at 12:54 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by FatAndFaithless - February 4, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 4, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 4, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by FatAndFaithless - February 4, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 4, 2016 at 1:57 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 4, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 5, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by John V - February 5, 2016 at 11:25 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 6, 2016 at 1:48 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 7, 2016 at 2:31 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by John V - February 9, 2016 at 9:52 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 9, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 9, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 9, 2016 at 12:31 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 9, 2016 at 12:54 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 9, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by John V - February 6, 2016 at 1:26 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Grandizer - February 6, 2016 at 1:37 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 6, 2016 at 2:26 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by John V - February 9, 2016 at 9:49 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 7, 2016 at 5:14 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 9, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 9, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 9, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Angrboda - February 9, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 9, 2016 at 7:14 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 9, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 10, 2016 at 4:05 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by robvalue - February 9, 2016 at 12:41 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 9, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by DanTheOutlaw - February 10, 2016 at 2:20 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by robvalue - February 17, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 17, 2016 at 11:25 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 18, 2016 at 4:28 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 19, 2016 at 3:06 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 19, 2016 at 3:32 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 19, 2016 at 3:48 am

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