(February 7, 2016 at 2:31 am)Alex K Wrote:(February 5, 2016 at 11:25 am)alpha male Wrote: He may not have presented it well, but his point is valid.
If I allow that an eternally existing god is possible, then yes, I must allow that an eternally existing universe is also possible. If the evidence indicated that the universe has existed eternally, or back when we didn't have evidence one way or another on that question, your counter argument was fine. But, now that the evidence indicates that the universe has a beginning, that counter argument no longer holds.
1.No, the evidence doesn't really show that. The evidence suggests something like inflation in the early phase, and no one knows what was at the beginning of that.
2. Even if it did have a temporal beginning as seen from inside, it would not present a paradox of creation ex nihilo
That's ad hoc and disingenuous. If I asked how old the universe, I'd get an answer of whatever number of billions of years is currently correct. No one would say we don't know.