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Christoid Logic
RE: Christoid Logic
(February 9, 2016 at 9:57 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Fortunately Aquinas's 5 ways do not depend on a specific cosmological model. All that matters is that reality is intelligible. Physics is a second order discipline contingent on philosophical first principles known by observation.
I think you overestimate the power of philosophy to say something about reality without considering the physics behind the words you use. As soon as you use concepts such as a "mover" in your philosophical argument and then talk about its properties, it doesn't seem to be a hierarchy any more where physics is secondary.
You keep waving those five ways around. Can you give an example of an argument they make that says something about reality without relying on physics?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 7:32 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:32 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Angrboda - February 3, 2016 at 7:39 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:49 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jackalope - February 3, 2016 at 7:43 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 7:51 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jackalope - February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jackalope - February 3, 2016 at 8:02 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Angrboda - February 3, 2016 at 8:09 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jenny A - February 3, 2016 at 11:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jenny A - February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 4, 2016 at 5:37 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 7:54 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:57 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Aroura - February 3, 2016 at 11:16 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 4, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jackalope - February 3, 2016 at 7:59 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 4, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Grandizer - February 4, 2016 at 11:14 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by downbeatplumb - February 4, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by RobbyPants - February 17, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by MysterMenace - February 19, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 3, 2016 at 7:35 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:41 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 4, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 7:53 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by TanithDaUnicorn - February 3, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by dyresand - February 3, 2016 at 8:25 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by TanithDaUnicorn - February 8, 2016 at 3:25 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 3, 2016 at 8:03 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Minimalist - February 3, 2016 at 8:06 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 3, 2016 at 8:21 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 3, 2016 at 9:25 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 9:27 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:32 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by rexbeccarox - February 3, 2016 at 9:39 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by The Valkyrie - February 3, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:32 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 3, 2016 at 9:27 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by dyresand - February 3, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 8:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:37 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:39 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 9:13 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:18 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:15 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:41 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 8:44 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:52 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 8:56 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 8:58 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by dyresand - February 3, 2016 at 9:15 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 9:15 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:20 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by GodCherry - February 3, 2016 at 9:23 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by The Valkyrie - February 3, 2016 at 9:19 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:25 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Homeless Nutter - February 3, 2016 at 9:26 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 9:14 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by The Valkyrie - February 3, 2016 at 9:22 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 9:24 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:29 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Homeless Nutter - February 3, 2016 at 9:52 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 9:56 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 9:58 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Homeless Nutter - February 3, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 10:02 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 3, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Pat Mustard - February 17, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 17, 2016 at 10:12 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 10:31 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by KevinM1 - February 3, 2016 at 10:37 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 3, 2016 at 10:45 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 4, 2016 at 2:00 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Pat Mustard - February 17, 2016 at 5:22 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 19, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 3, 2016 at 11:47 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Pat Mustard - February 17, 2016 at 4:46 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 17, 2016 at 10:51 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 4, 2016 at 1:25 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 4, 2016 at 1:30 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Athene - February 4, 2016 at 2:23 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:36 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Catholic_Lady - February 4, 2016 at 6:48 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 5, 2016 at 10:53 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Ravenshire - February 4, 2016 at 2:24 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 4, 2016 at 6:13 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 4, 2016 at 12:00 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 4, 2016 at 12:04 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 4, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Athene - February 4, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Ivan Denisovich - February 4, 2016 at 2:33 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Athene - February 4, 2016 at 2:42 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by robvalue - February 4, 2016 at 4:25 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Athene - February 4, 2016 at 11:12 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by robvalue - February 4, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 4, 2016 at 9:43 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Jenny A - February 4, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 4, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 4, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Whateverist - February 4, 2016 at 3:13 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by FatAndFaithless - February 4, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 4, 2016 at 12:54 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by FatAndFaithless - February 4, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 4, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 4, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by FatAndFaithless - February 4, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 4, 2016 at 1:57 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 4, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 5, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by John V - February 5, 2016 at 11:25 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 6, 2016 at 1:48 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 7, 2016 at 2:31 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by John V - February 9, 2016 at 9:52 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 9, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 9, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 9, 2016 at 12:31 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 9, 2016 at 12:54 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Mister Agenda - February 9, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by John V - February 6, 2016 at 1:26 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Grandizer - February 6, 2016 at 1:37 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 6, 2016 at 2:26 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by John V - February 9, 2016 at 9:49 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 7, 2016 at 5:14 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 9, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 9, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 9, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Angrboda - February 9, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Neo-Scholastic - February 9, 2016 at 7:14 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 9, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by Alex K - February 10, 2016 at 4:05 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by robvalue - February 9, 2016 at 12:41 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 9, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by DanTheOutlaw - February 10, 2016 at 2:20 pm
RE: Christoid Logic - by robvalue - February 17, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by vorlon13 - February 17, 2016 at 11:25 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by ignoramus - February 18, 2016 at 4:28 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 19, 2016 at 3:06 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 19, 2016 at 3:32 am
RE: Christoid Logic - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 19, 2016 at 3:48 am

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