(February 24, 2011 at 7:24 pm)ozgoat Wrote:(February 21, 2011 at 11:54 pm)MajorTomWaits99 Wrote: eh Dawkins is overrated...dont' get me wrong I love his books...just over-exposed. ANYWHO:
Anytime I bring this up to a theist they respond "That's Great...you know the Ought but only GOD Can Justify Morality"....when I ask them to elaborate on Justify....I don't get what they mean.
I assume that they mean its GUARANTEED...but then again if that's the case its not really a moral action because there is no choice you're just adhering to duty.
People say lots of negative things about RD and I'll admit that I sometimes find find him a little hard to take, BUT, he has done more for the promotion of logic and common-sense and for naturalism than most other people have and he scores high in my book for that.
Having read the bible, I don't know how any Christian can claim that their god knows anything at all about morality. It's taken a long time for society to rectify the disgusting moral standards of the bible with regard to homosexuality, racism, slavery, misogyny and bigotry that were the "standard" for Christian nations everywhere until recent times.
The deaths, suffering, injustices, cruelty that have been endured by humanity because of Christianity and the bible god and his Law and teachings during the past 1700 years are too horrific to contemplate.
I thank dog that Christianity isn't in charge of societal morals any longer.
Oh yeah. Its not that I don't agree but the one thing that sticks in my craw is he opens the book with somethign to the extent that he hopes to Bridge the Gap and maybe convert some people ...but the book didn't have that kind of feeling I thought. It seemed like it only further polarized the two groups.
Oh and I know. But they believe in the "Loving" God..all that crap.
I didn't get how "praying" is moral either. I mean being grateful sure. But mandated Prayer? crazy.
