Free will & the Conservation Laws

[The Grand Nudger]

The problem with your test Rhythm is that it depends on a form of anthropomorphic projection.

I don't think that it does...again, I'm not basing my conclusion on whether or not they see what I see, or the accuracy of their observation.  Only that they can provide me an answer to that question which gives me reason to conclude that they had an experience, however different from mine or any human beings.  Even our own experiences are not uniform. My test won't work for a rock or a non-communicative.  I would have to try something else for that. I -explicitly- offered this test for people...btw...so I;m not sure that anthropomorphic projection..as an objection..even applies.

That if others behave as I would behave under the test, then they are experiencing the same things that I would be.  

That subtle shift in the question, again.  I;m not interested in whether or not their experience is uniform to my own.  I'm interested in whether or not they experience.  I -am- limited in my reference set...but we can only work with what we've got, and to demand otherwise or refuse to accept a conclusion on those grounds would be unreasonable.  

But there's no way to know that this equivalence holds.  It in a way is claiming that there aren't alternative methods (besides experience) by which such behavior can be realized.

I think that there -are- ways to do that (I offered artifact of a conscious designer as an example)....my test doesn't claim any such thing, it's merely -one way- to get at an answer to a question by working with what we've got where it might apply.

Take for example the phenomenon of blindsight.  The person doesn't have an actual experience of the stimulus, yet they are able to report on the stimulus. This is "passing the test" without any actual awareness of the stimulus.

The test is not whether they are aware of the -same- stimulus as I am, I only wonder whether they are -aware-..full stop.  The man with blind sight appears to be aware of something.  OFC he passed the test, your objection is another subtle shift.

What if there are zombies who can pass the greater test without actually being aware?  Your test gives us no good reason to rule them out.

Then we have no good reason to rule them out....and every reason to consider them as aware as we are..and we'll have to confront that, rather than creating an imaginary partition which we cannot demonstrate, considering them "mimics" and ourselves something else.  Don't you think? I feel like I'm being asked how I would handle getting results I didn;t like, or that caused me to confront some uncomfortable notion. That we are, ourselves, indistinguishable from those "zombies", in that regard. If we are, so be it.