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[reverendjeremiah]

Prove beyond a reasonable doubt? Okay, easy.

Belief in the existence of Satan is entirely unjustified, this is the same as saying that it is in no way reasonable to believe that Satan exists. If it is in no way reasonable to believe that Satan exists then, beyond all reasonable doubt, I can say that Satan is not fooling me.

Satisfied?

..and I agree. There is no LOGICAL justification for it. a malevolent deity is absurd. But let us remember this is just a hypothetical discussion. Either this is a godless univers (which I pretty much stand behind), or some sort of malevolence is behind all of this (which I dont strongly adhere to, but sometimes I wonder). Lets go over some points:

Multiple religions in this world = Either the result of a godless cosmos or a malevolent force. I tend to think it is way on the godless side, but sometimes I wonder.

Multiple forms of govt = Either the result of a godless cosmos or a malevolent force. I tend to think it is way on the godless side, but sometimes I wonder.

Psychiatric diseases = Either the result of a godless cosmos or a malevolent force. I tend to think it is way on the godless side, but sometimes I wonder.

Babies born without a brain = Either the result of a godless cosmos or a malevolent force. I tend to think it is way on the godless side, but sometimes I wonder.

etc..

I was satisfied before, but like I said..sometimes I wonder.

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Because you're fooling me, not Satan.

Anyway, I spend most of my life fooling myself, I don't need anyone else to do it.

LOL. Im not trying to fool anyone, even though I like your response. I am merely bringing up something that I wonder about sometimes. Malevolent design vs godless Cosmos. I tend very heavily towards godless Cosmos, but I cant be 100% sure. How can anyone be 100% sure about something like this?

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How do we know god isn't fooling us?

That is what I am asking. Perhaps I should have said "malevolent force" instead of Satan, but I figured most would get the picture. Perhaps it is millions of malevolent gods and goddesses who are fooling us. Perhaps HP Lovecraft was inspired when he wrote of the Cthulhu and the great old ones from beyond the stars and no hope but malevolence for mankind. Like I said before, I tend heavily towards "godless universe" and a healthy dose of human imagination when dealing with this subject, but nobody, in my opinion, can be 100% sure about this subject. Sometimes it just nags me. Example:

How can you be 100% sure that Jesus isnt really a malevolent demon who lied to people. Sure, bad people will do nice things to draw in their victims... see what I mean?

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Actually, I believe the Gods of the Vigil are fooling us... Regulos is being pretty damn honest about wanting to kill everything.

If my toon had any opinion, she'd say that those baleful gods covet the sourcestone our planet is rich with because it feeds them power. If the those gods feed on sourcestone then likely so do the gods of Vigil, so of course they don't want us figuring out how to use it to power our creations. They are jealous gods and don't want us to join them. They're afraid we will become them. So some of those gods dress up pretty and pretend to care about our world and ascend those that will fight for them but not question them. Do they ascend the most righteous and worthy to fight their fight? No, they ascend people regardless of their moral compasses as long as they can control them and use them to turn on their fellow Telarans, Telarans who have figured out how to bypass the gods and use the sourcestone for ourselves.

We are no more than chess pieces between the Gods of Vigil and the Baleful gods. And our world is ripped apart while we fight this civil war rather than turning against those that fuel the fire with our deaths.

Where were these gods when Telara fell in the future time-line?

There are bloody reasons I could only be Ascended as one of the Defiant... the Gods of the Vigil would certainly have never brought such a being as myself back.

Trust me, Satan and Loki aren't wasting their time trying to fool me, and have better things to do than fool me, and are not fooling me. I know this, because the gods of the Vigil won't give me a list of their names and an explanation of who they are... and this is because they are aware that my full eventual intent (after beating back the significantly more powerful Blood Storm) is to kill them.

They aren't just going to give me their names and tell me about themselves and where they live to make my job all the easier: that isn't the style of the Vigil, and at best this 'Loki' or 'Satan' were invented to throw me off my course. Not unlike that time they successfully lured me away from the Iron Pines.

Damn elevators.

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That is pretty much what I am saying, to a point. My point would also include that Malevolence also includes uncarring gods as well. Any god that has the power to stop human suffering and doesnt is malevolent, because if it were benevolent it would snap its fingers and stop this blood soaked debate we humans have about so many things such as religion, politics, and so on.