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The not-so-fine tuning argument.
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RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument.
The lotto fallacy alone -is- sufficient answer to the ft argument, because the ft argument isn't an argument until you tack on the probability bit.  If the universe or some portion is fine tuned, then the universe or some portion is fine tuned.  As such, there's no need to address the soundness of the  FT premise, regardless of whether or not the FT statement is accurate or inaccurate, it doesn't provide valid means of inference to conclude that god exists or did any tuning even if it did.  The one does't speak to the other without addendum.
  
On potential addendum, we can't reasonably claim that it would be impossible for the universe to be as it is in the absence of a god..because we'd have no way of knowing that in the first place, and depending upon what they are referencing, specifically, we know that to be untrue. The earth being where it is in the incomprehensibly wide (but somehow fine tuned?) band of our Suns CHZ, for example, is an effect of it's composition. This is where the materials that form our planet fall into an orbit due to their mass, due to gravity, due to their velocity and inertia.  This also happens with moons and planetary rings.  It's not impossible or even inexplicable in the absence of a god, and the explanation we have is confirmed by every observation and all the data we possess.  We leverage that data, those observations, and those relationships day in and day out with the placement of satellites and the design of orbital delivery systems.  

If, instead, we dial back our god of the gaps to the cosmological constants in response to this (which, conveniently, is what's been done)...we're back to having no reasonable way of knowing whether or not that claim is true.

The only reasonable and operative portion of the FT argument can be nothing -other-  a question of probability.   Here comes the lotto fallacy response and more.  Improbable things happen, regardless of a god.  Life exists, however improbable, regardless of whether or not a god exists.  The environment a creature finds itself in must support that creatures existence, or else they wouldn't exist to ask the question, regardless of whether or not a god exists.  QED
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The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Jehanne - March 2, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by vorlon13 - March 2, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Mister Agenda - March 2, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 2, 2016 at 9:34 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by robvalue - March 2, 2016 at 10:14 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Chad32 - March 2, 2016 at 10:55 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Nuda900 - March 2, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Chad32 - March 2, 2016 at 11:56 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 2:42 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Jehanne - March 6, 2016 at 4:04 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 6, 2016 at 4:17 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Minimalist - March 6, 2016 at 5:08 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Angrboda - March 6, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by JuliaL - March 6, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Cyberman - March 6, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by ignoramus - March 6, 2016 at 7:23 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 2:54 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Jehanne - March 7, 2016 at 11:40 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 2:27 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Jehanne - March 8, 2016 at 9:09 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 10, 2016 at 1:57 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Jehanne - March 10, 2016 at 9:11 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by The Grand Nudger - March 8, 2016 at 1:25 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 8, 2016 at 3:56 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by ignoramus - March 9, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 10, 2016 at 1:50 am
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by comet - March 9, 2016 at 8:49 pm
RE: The not-so-fine tuning argument. - by Alex K - March 10, 2016 at 1:43 am

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