RE: The Problem with Christians
March 11, 2016 at 12:28 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2016 at 12:38 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
Yes, Huggy, feudalism counts as slavery, if you're a serf and the lord of the land actually owns the people who work on it and can will them as his possession unto his children. However, my ancestors left serfdom and came to the colony of Acadia (in what is now Nova Scotia) to start a new life. It's not the same thing... and you're being very dishonest by pretending it is.
It utterly floors me that your defense of the edited-and-carefully-selected books of the Bible is "it's Canon for a reason". Yes, the REASON is that the priests (and later, the bishops) were careful about their selection and editing process, or as Bob Seger put it, "what to leave in, what to leave out".
Also, please learn a bit more about the actual facts of the African slave trade, too!
1) Appellate acquittal at a slave's trial for rape, in Florida in 1860. (Few other trials went so far up the appellate chain that we have lasting records for them, but this shows that your claim that the trials meant it was SO DIFFERENT for Biblical versus modern slavery is simply not true.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_codes#cite_note-10
2) Your claim "the Atlantic slave trade justified itself with racism" is HILARIOUS, given the fact that it specifically spells out in Leviticus the difference between how to treat fellow Israelites versus how to treat non-Israelites. Our system of race-based slavery was justified based on Biblical interpretation of who may be permanently owned and who must be set free after a period of indentured servitude.
![[Image: nortoncv.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=wolfkiller.net%2FAbolitionists%2Fnortoncv.jpg)
(It's a little bit hard to read the image on a smaller screen, so for those of you with poor eyesight, the pamphlet is titled: Southern Slavery and the Bible: A Scriptural Refutation of the Principle Arguments Upon Which Abolitionists Rely, A Vindication of Southern Slavery From the Old and New Testaments, by Reverend K. W. Warren.)
Since Christians have already refuted your arguments better than I can, I'll refer you to the Patheos blog post that covers the issue of modern apologists who try to pretend it's like Indentured Servitude rather than chattel slavery:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamin...n-slavery/
Why are you trying to hard to bury your head in the sand?
(Edit to Add: Is it because you have "The Curse of Ham", and don't want to admit it? http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_slav1.htm)
(Second Edit: Found a better image of the Nellie Norton pamphlet, and could finally read the author's name.)
It utterly floors me that your defense of the edited-and-carefully-selected books of the Bible is "it's Canon for a reason". Yes, the REASON is that the priests (and later, the bishops) were careful about their selection and editing process, or as Bob Seger put it, "what to leave in, what to leave out".
Also, please learn a bit more about the actual facts of the African slave trade, too!
1) Appellate acquittal at a slave's trial for rape, in Florida in 1860. (Few other trials went so far up the appellate chain that we have lasting records for them, but this shows that your claim that the trials meant it was SO DIFFERENT for Biblical versus modern slavery is simply not true.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_codes#cite_note-10
2) Your claim "the Atlantic slave trade justified itself with racism" is HILARIOUS, given the fact that it specifically spells out in Leviticus the difference between how to treat fellow Israelites versus how to treat non-Israelites. Our system of race-based slavery was justified based on Biblical interpretation of who may be permanently owned and who must be set free after a period of indentured servitude.
(It's a little bit hard to read the image on a smaller screen, so for those of you with poor eyesight, the pamphlet is titled: Southern Slavery and the Bible: A Scriptural Refutation of the Principle Arguments Upon Which Abolitionists Rely, A Vindication of Southern Slavery From the Old and New Testaments, by Reverend K. W. Warren.)
Since Christians have already refuted your arguments better than I can, I'll refer you to the Patheos blog post that covers the issue of modern apologists who try to pretend it's like Indentured Servitude rather than chattel slavery:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamin...n-slavery/
Why are you trying to hard to bury your head in the sand?
(Edit to Add: Is it because you have "The Curse of Ham", and don't want to admit it? http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_slav1.htm)
(Second Edit: Found a better image of the Nellie Norton pamphlet, and could finally read the author's name.)
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
