The Problem with Christians

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What can I say? It appears that the majority of articles denying that DNA is a code are written by people with an agenda - an atheistic one. Since the 1960s DNA has been universally recognised as a code by all of the top experts in the field. The term "coding" is used ALL the time in reference to genetic replication.

It's an analogy used for ease of communication, and again, I did acknowledge that it's a code in a certain sense, but not in the sense that its origins are in coding. It's a code after the fact, when minds can go through it and predict what the chemical compounds will produce based on prior results, but at the time it was forming? No, not a code, just a series of chemical reactions. You're misusing the science on this one.

How about the fact that that random = disordered and code = ordered.  A random code is an oxymoron. Can you show me a scientific proof that codes form through random activity?

Yes. What, did you think it was some impossible task? Ever played a game with random or procedurally generated content? That's a code, delivered at random, played out from a finite list of options... like DNA would have been. Hell, just typing "randomly generated codes" into google gives me a whole first page of non-repeating code generators that pump out random codes for contests and stuff. There are even evolution simulators that begin with randomized sim-organisms and build complex, functional entities from additional random mutations. It's not as crazy as you're making it out to be.

If what you expect random activity to accomplish is way outside the activity that is normally seen and defies scientific explanation, then it's not such an outrageous conclusion to come to.

You're dodging the question again: if we had no answer to give you, would you consider your god to be the default, such that this would be a "win" for you? Or do you recognize that tearing down our position, assuming you're able to do so, would not advance the case you're attempting to advance, here?

The higher the entropy, the lower the availability of the system's energy to do useful work. How much work does a rock do when compared to living organisms?

But we've already established that the rock is not a closed system. It gains outside energy all the time.

So how does adding heat, radiation and some space rocks turn random chemicals into DNA? Is there a model for how this happens?

We were talking about your claim regarding entropy. Please do not now pretend that we were talking about abiogenesis, and not the specific claim you'd made on another front.

As it happens though, we do have experimental data showing that naturally occurring chemicals do spontaneously form into the building blocks of life without outside intervention under certain conditions. The Miller-Urey experiments and Joan Oro's work demonstrate this quite well. Again, your incredulity is born of an inadequate grasp of the science involved, not the unfeasibility of the conclusion.

Now I'll ask you again: do you have any positive evidence that your god was involved, or just more arguments from ignorance and personal incredulity?