RE: The Problem with Christians
March 14, 2016 at 8:31 pm
(This post was last modified: March 14, 2016 at 8:40 pm by AJW333.)
(March 14, 2016 at 9:29 am)pocaracas Wrote:(March 14, 2016 at 6:48 am)AJW333 Wrote: Seems like the theory has some significant problems,
"But there are problems with this so-called RNA World hypothesis. For starters, in water, the four chemical components of RNA — the nucleotides abbreviated A, G, C, and U — don’t spontaneously assemble to create sizable molecules. So it remains a mystery how the first long gene-length chains of RNA could have taken shape in Earth’s ancient oceans..............
Unfortunately, in water CA and TAP clump together in large ribbons and sheets and quickly fall out of solution, making it hard to conceive of how these proto-RNAs could have stored genetic information in the earliest stages of life."
Why did you stop reading at that and miss the part I quoted from that article?
“The nice thing [about the current study] is this is a demonstration of self-assembly in water,”... thus providing a mechanism to skip that difficulty where you got stuck.
"These "proto-RNA bases" spontaneously assemble into gene-length linear stacks, suggesting that the genes of life could have gotten started from these or similar molecules................. Hud's group knew that they were on to something when they added a small chemical tail to a proto-RNA base and saw it spontaneously form linear assemblies with another proto-RNA base."
I would like to know what the small chemical tail was. Was it something that naturally occurs in nature or a manufactured substance?
So if I were to summarize what the article is saying, it would be; "the molecules required to form RNA don't spontaneously form in water but we found some other chemicals that do so we think RNA formed from these, but we've no idea how that happened." It's not exactly compelling evidence.
(March 14, 2016 at 9:50 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(March 8, 2016 at 7:47 pm)AJW333 Wrote: UNSW. Inside the top 50 in the world. Check it out.
Tell us the name, initials not useful.
University of New South Wales
(March 14, 2016 at 10:00 am)robvalue Wrote:But you guys have given me no testable evidence as to how life came from non-life, just theories and maybe's. I fail to see any difference between me having faith in an external creator being responsible for it and your belief (faith) that it all happened by random chance, defying insurmountable odds. Both sides have faith and belief.(March 14, 2016 at 8:45 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: The problem is, Rob, he's not applying scepticism to science, he's applyong denialism. It can clearly seen from this thread that like YECs and other biblical literalists, ajw will ignore any evidence or phenomenon which contradicts his personal interpretation of the biblical mythology.
That is true. It's what I would call scepticism level infinity, where literally no evidence will ever suffice.
As opposed to scepticism level zero, which people apply to their religion.