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A problem with how theists think.
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RE: A problem with how theists think.
(March 25, 2016 at 11:34 am)Rhythm Wrote: Road, if all that you see here, around you...everything in this world, positively screams out for an explanation, for cause.  So too, would a god.   If a person was consistently applying whatever thought process led them to the former, the latter is inescapable.   If, in the latter, one feels that no further explanation, no further cause, is necessary, then again, a person applying whatever thought process led them to that conclusion, consistently, would see no such requirement for the former.

Either the same thought process works in both cases, or it doesn't work at all.


Everything in this world (universe) requires a cause, because it is contingent.  The evidence points to the universe having a beginning, and therefore everything in the universe (world) must have also had a beginning (or to have originated from outside of the universe)  That which is non-contingent by definition does not dependent on something else for it's existence. 

In any case, it seems difficult to me, to make an argument which states that everything must have a cause/beginning and have this system exclude itself (or am I misunderstanding). It appears that you are saying, that everything must have a beginning (explanation for it's existence), yet are using this to say there is no beginning?
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A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 23, 2016 at 1:25 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Minimalist - March 23, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 23, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by LastPoet - March 23, 2016 at 1:41 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by brewer - March 23, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 24, 2016 at 2:18 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 24, 2016 at 8:37 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Esquilax - March 25, 2016 at 6:18 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 24, 2016 at 3:27 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 24, 2016 at 8:45 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by vorlon13 - March 24, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 24, 2016 at 6:26 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by drfuzzy - March 25, 2016 at 11:29 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by vorlon13 - March 25, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by vorlon13 - March 24, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Chas - March 25, 2016 at 5:14 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 25, 2016 at 11:17 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 25, 2016 at 4:15 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 25, 2016 at 7:01 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Esquilax - March 25, 2016 at 8:17 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 26, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - April 5, 2016 at 10:13 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 26, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 25, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by vorlon13 - March 25, 2016 at 5:56 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by ignoramus - March 26, 2016 at 12:23 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by ApeNotKillApe - March 25, 2016 at 6:37 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 26, 2016 at 2:40 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 26, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 26, 2016 at 5:15 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 26, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 26, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 26, 2016 at 12:58 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 28, 2016 at 3:39 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Red_Wind - March 28, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 29, 2016 at 9:16 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 29, 2016 at 3:34 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 30, 2016 at 2:52 am

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