(March 25, 2016 at 4:15 pm)RozKek Wrote:(March 25, 2016 at 11:17 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I am curious about your "if you think about it" statement here.... could you please expound on this more, and why you are questioning "how logical is it".
I don't understand what you want me to expand on "if you think about it". It's quite simple. Think about if it is logical that the first thing to exist/be is insanely complex with super intelligence, with the ability to do exactly everything, see everything, even change/break the laws of the universe (omnipotent).
"And I am questioning how logical is it?" because many theists seem to think the existence of everything is illogical without a God and I am asking you theists how logical is it that the first thing to exist/be is insanely complex with super intelligence, with the ability to do exactly everything, see everything, even change/break the laws of the universe (omnipotent).
I don't think I can be more clear than that. I want you to answer how logical it is from your perspective, and good points/arguments to why it would be logical, it seems like you're trying to dodge my question.
I was assuming that there was some form of reasoning/basis behind your "if you think about it", and asking you to explain how you came to this conclusion. I didn't realize it was a question, and it appears, that you are making a statement and without giving any reason to that statement.
For that which is self existing (non-contingent), I don't see that there is any logical necessity that this thing be either simple or complex, as it is not dependent on anything else for it's existence. That which is the effect of something else, requires a cause, which is sufficient to explain that effect. If that which is in question, is not the effect of something else, then I don't think we can make any demands as it must be this or that. It would seem to me, that a first cause, must be sufficient to explain everything that came after and that you are working the other way around.
Also I would agree with many current philosophers of religion, in saying that God is simple in nature not complex (composed of many parts).
