(March 15, 2011 at 6:06 pm)Zenith Wrote: By the same logic I can say that 0.(1) = 0.11...111 is finite because it ends with "1".A few things wrong with this statement:
1) 0.11...111 would be finite even if it didn't end with a 1, since I can name a number higher than it (0.2), and hence it is not infinite. What you mean is that it is finitely long, which is perfectly true if it ends with a 1, and the way you have written it (0.11...111) shows this.
2) 0.(1) is not the same as 0.11...111, since by definition 0.(1) doesn't have an end, and 0.11...111 has a very visible end. The correct notation for 0.(1) is 0.111... (the ellipsis indicating that the 1 repeats endlessly).
3) Whilst 0.11...111 does end with a very visible 1, 0.(1) or 0.111... does not. The ellipsis makes it endless, and so whilst it is a finite value, it is not of finite length.
Quote:In other words, my example hasn't an end by definition, either. If this "0.00...001" does not look as you'd like, then use this representation:Your example does have an end: 0.00...001 <-- there it is.
"1/10 * 1/100 * 1/1000 ..." - because this is clearly not an "invalid" thing.
Whilst your calculation is a valid one, the answer to it diverges to 0 as I pointed out, and as such it is not a valid answer to the question "what is the first number that comes after 0?" because either (a) it eventually becomes 0, or (b) it diverges to a value which is impossible to calculate (since we would need a infinite amount of time in order to do it).
Quote:I don't care if infinite geometric series use or not the infinity in the actual calculation. I also don't care how this thing should be called. But, if you insist that "1/10 * 1/100 * 1/1000 ..." must not be used, perhaps you can show where it's written that this thing is forbidden to be used.I never insisted that your calculation must not be used, I said that the calculation diverges to 0, which in mathematics either means it becomes equal to 0, or becomes infinitely small and cannot be calculated.
I asked you what the first number to come after 0 was, and you have not given me a valid answer.