RE: The Problem with Christians
April 1, 2016 at 10:06 am
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2016 at 10:06 am by Crossless2.0.)
(March 31, 2016 at 6:05 pm)athrock Wrote:(March 31, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: athrock, I must have missed the part where you made a compelling case that a singularity is 'nothing' or where you demonstrated that there was 'nothing' "prior" to the Big Bang (leaving aside the improper use of causal language to characterize what a universe "pre" space/time might be like). For that matter, I must have missed the post in which you provided "an entirely new suite of terminology" (to borrow from Esquilax) to describe the physics of a pre-Big Bang world.
Ah, then you posit that a singularity is the "something" from which everything came. Setting aside the fact the singularity CHANGED from one moment to the next for reasons completely unknown (and requiring a cause), are you then of the opinion that this singularity was in existence from all eternity with no beginning in a finite past?
Quote:Your insistence on using words like "nothing" and "cause" when trying to discuss what, if anything, was 'before' the Big Bang seems to amount to one continuous misapplication of terms that make sense in the world as described by our current models of physics but may not be applicable to what is being discussed. We really don't know. And you're putting the cart before the horse.
Can we know? From science alone?
I don't have an opinion whether the "singularity was in existence from all eternity". Why the hell would I? Given the current state of our knowledge, the people actually qualified to discuss such questions must resort to speculation, so it would be asinine of me to trumpet an opinion about something we don't (and possibly can't) know -- whether through legitimate means like science or through imaginary sources of knowledge like "revelation".
What is "God" if not a conceptual Band-Aid you believers use to make a pretense of knowledge? What is "revelation" if not the epistemological bastard child you try to sneak in the back door and give a seat at the family table? Just because you have a three-letter name/title for your ignorance concerning the Big Questions doesn't mean that you have an answer.
