(April 2, 2016 at 10:01 am)Stimbo Wrote: I'm pretty sure that even in the context of the story, the whole Red Sea thing violated the free will of the Egyptians who drowned in it. Not to mention that this follows immediately after ol' YHWH deliberately suspended the Pharaoh's ability to exercise his free will by hardening his heart. Multiple times.
(April 2, 2016 at 10:21 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:(April 2, 2016 at 10:01 am)Stimbo Wrote: I'm pretty sure that even in the context of the story, the whole Red Sea thing violated the free will of the Egyptians who drowned in it. Not to mention that this follows immediately after ol' YHWH deliberately suspended the Pharaoh's ability to exercise his free will by hardening his heart. Multiple times.
Right, which I was going to mention, but I anticipated something along the lines of:
"Drowning the Egyptians didn't actually violate their free will. They still maintained their free will to want to live, they just weren't able to accomplish the goal they willed for."
Or something equally as retarded.
Heh...yeah...you got me there.
Seriously, God punished the Egyptians and drowned them in the Red Sea, but that did not have to happen. Moses asked for the release of the Israelites politely in the beginning, and he demonstrated that he was speaking for God by numerous signs.
Now, we CAN go through this entire argument again (we did this before Lent began, remember?), but do you really need to hear the explanations again?
As y'all are fond of saying, search the old threads. Exodus was thoroughly explained to you in the past.
