RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
April 10, 2016 at 12:40 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2016 at 12:41 pm by Redbeard The Pink.)
(April 9, 2016 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Well I guess America has expanded tremendously, we can claim all English speaking countries according to your lame idea. Also Austria has self rule, that means they are a separate country. Also we do not allow anyone that to be president of this country that wasn't born hear.
These words are directly from Jesus' Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me,you workers of lawlessness.'
If I have to explain to you what this means and how it counters your argument completely then we have nothing else to say or I don't anyhow, it doesn't take a very intelligent person to understand the truth of those verses.
GC
Like Alex said, Hitler was growing up and coming to power in the fallout from WWI. Germany had been a pretty big empire and was in the process of falling apart, and Austria was one of the countries that began to emerge from that (if memory serves, that is...it's been a while since I read the history). Many of those old Germanic countries have vaguely German language and culture because at one time they literally were Germany. Sure, they're sovereign nations now, but "German" was a much more loosey goosey term during the time we're talking about.
Besides, Hitler was still German by way of citizenship, which means he was German. What we do in America concerning the presidency and his birth has virtually nothing to do with what was going on in Nazi Germany during WWII.
I'm aware of that verse in Matthew, and it does not solve your problem. It essentially states that even if a person says they're a Christian and does the works of a Christian, they're not a "True Christian" unless they're "doing God's will."
This leaves you with the exact same problem as before. No two Christians can agree on God's will, which is why you have thousands of denominations with millions of churches with billions of people all with wildly differing opinions on what God's will actually is, even though they're all using more or less the same book.
This gets us no closer to a practical way to tell who is a True Christian and who isn't. Anytime the Christians disagree, they all point at each other and call each other false. Because we have no reliable, consistent way of determining what God's will is (and apparently neither do his followers), this passage in Matthew is pretty much useless to everyone but God himself, if indeed he did exist.
I do agree with you on one thing, though...it doesn't take much intelligence to be convinced that the Bible is true.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com