(April 10, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(April 9, 2016 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Well I guess America has expanded tremendously, we can claim all English speaking countries according to your lame idea. Also Austria has self rule, that means they are a separate country. Also we do not allow anyone that to be president of this country that wasn't born hear.
These words are directly from Jesus' Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me,you workers of lawlessness.'
If I have to explain to you what this means and how it counters your argument completely then we have nothing else to say or I don't anyhow, it doesn't take a very intelligent person to understand the truth of those verses.
GC
Like Alex said, Hitler was growing up and coming to power in the fallout from WWI. Germany had been a pretty big empire and was in the process of falling apart, and Austria was one of the countries that began to emerge from that (if memory serves, that is...it's been a while since I read the history). Many of those old Germanic countries have vaguely German language and culture because at one time they literally were Germany. Sure, they're sovereign nations now, but "German" was a much more loosey goosey term during the time we're talking about.
Austria was a sovereign nation then, doesn't matter if it was once part of a larger country loosely organized.
RTP Wrote:Besides, Hitler was still German by way of citizenship, which means he was German. What we do in America concerning the presidency and his birth has virtually nothing to do with what was going on in Nazi Germany during WWII.
Hitler became a German citizen by being appointed to a position in Brunswick by the Nazi party, Hitler refused to become a citizen by standing in line like all others did. Hitler was an egomaniac from the start. Like everything else be bullied his way in.
RTP Wrote:I'm aware of that verse in Matthew, and it does not solve your problem. It essentially states that even if a person says they're a Christian and does the works of a Christian, they're not a "True Christian" unless they're "doing God's will."
It's not my problem, the problem belongs to non- believers like yourself. It says if a person pretends to be a Christian and claims to do work that wasn't God's work then they will wind up in hell.
RTP Wrote:This leaves you with the exact same problem as before. No two Christians can agree on God's will, which is why you have thousands of denominations with millions of churches with billions of people all with wildly differing opinions on what God's will actually is, even though they're all using more or less the same book.
You need to prove that each denomination has a different view as to what it takes to be a Christian. The great majority believe in grace through acceptance of Christ into one's life.
RTP Wrote:This gets us no closer to a practical way to tell who is a True Christian and who isn't. Anytime the Christians disagree, they all point at each other and call each other false. Because we have no reliable, consistent way of determining what God's will is (and apparently neither do his followers), this passage in Matthew is pretty much useless to everyone but God himself, if indeed he did exist.
Some denominations do that true. You do not know what God's will is because you are not part of His family. God's ultimate will is made quite clear in the scriptures and then His will for each Christian is part of a personal relationship. People can say I'm not a Christian, but then all that really matters is that Jesus knows I'm his. Christians do not live a life as Hitler did, that's obvious to all who can see, believer and non-believer alike.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.