RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
April 11, 2016 at 5:06 pm
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2016 at 5:23 pm by Brian37.)
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Hitler became a German citizen by being appointed to a position in Brunswick by the Nazi party, Hitler refused to become a citizen by standing in line like all others did. Hitler was an egomaniac from the start. Like everything else be bullied his way in.
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In short, he was naturalized in 1932, after being stateless for almost a decade. He left Austria in 1913, fought in a Bavarian regiment and was on an Austrian watchlist after founding the NSDAP.
But all of this doesn't really matter in this context. What matters is his religiosity. I always argue that it is as stupid to call him an atheist as it is to call him a christian, just because he didn't leave the Catholic church till his death. His private conversations, recorded by Henry Picker, show he wasn't an atheist. His writings do too. He had some kind of spirituality, endlessly talking about providence.
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BINGO, It does upset me that some wiki articles, and they do fact check for the most part and provide balance as far as views. But the one on his religious views does seem slanted just like how Christians try to twist the views of the founders.
When you add up all his spiritual talk and use of the word God and providence all the time, it comes a cross as his own brand of deism. A mix of Catholic/deist/Occult, and he most certainly did use religion to set up the uber nationalistic "God's master race" idea to get Germans to follow.
There is no logical way one could call Hitler an atheist who didn't believe in some super natural divine intervention.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_...olf_Hitler
Tons of quotes about God in Mein Kampf and quotes about God in his speeches.
But, I doubt the accuracy of this next entry below . I see no way to say that Hitler didn't believe but was just using religion as an ends to a means. I think after the fact "historians" simply didn't like Hitler using his beliefs to gain support, and even in his own ranks the alleged "anti religion" rhetoric certainly happened, but moreso as a warning to any dissent and not an outright rejection of religion. There are too many pictures of him smiling at clergy and they smiling back in support to think it was in every single case an act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_...olf_Hitler
If Hitler hated religion, it wasn't that he hated the idea of god or some sort of providence, but the idea of ANY dissent to his power, including religion. And as a far as claiming to be a promoter of of a science based word, that too was bullshit, because no sane ethical scientist would advocate what the Nazis did. Again, that would have merely been his own distorted view of science, not a ethical science.
And even with atheists Hitler would have gone after any dissent there too. Here is a quote under the heading in black bold "Hitler and Atheism" from the last article listed above.
[quote=wiki article] During his career, and for a variety of reasons, Hitler made various comments against "atheistic" movements. He associated atheism with Bolshevism, Communism, and Jewish materialism.[139] In 1933, the regime banned most atheistic and groups in Germany—other than those that supported the Nazis [quote]
Believers will skip over that part of the article. So when you add his views up it still remains he had a belief and what he really hated was any dissent to his power, not all Christians though, nor did he support all atheists either. He would leave supporters alone of any label and oppress anyone who raised a peep of any label, including atheists.
[quote='Godschild' pid='1245282' dateline='1460400710']
Hitler became a German citizen by being appointed to a position in Brunswick by the Nazi party, Hitler refused to become a citizen by standing in line like all others did. Hitler was an egomaniac from the start. Like everything else be bullied his way in.
[/quote]
In short, he was naturalized in 1932, after being stateless for almost a decade. He left Austria in 1913, fought in a Bavarian regiment and was on an Austrian watchlist after founding the NSDAP.
But all of this doesn't really matter in this context. What matters is his religiosity. I always argue that it is as stupid to call him an atheist as it is to call him a christian, just because he didn't leave the Catholic church till his death. His private conversations, recorded by Henry Picker, show he wasn't an atheist. His writings do too. He had some kind of spirituality, endlessly talking about providence.
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BINGO, It does upset me that some wiki articles, and they do fact check for the most part and provide balance as far as views. But the one on his religious views does seem slanted just like how Christians try to twist the views of the founders.
When you add up all his spiritual talk and use of the word God and providence all the time, it comes a cross as his own brand of deism. A mix of Catholic/deist/Occult, and he most certainly did use religion to set up the uber nationalistic "God's master race" idea to get Germans to follow.
There is no logical way one could call Hitler an atheist who didn't believe in some super natural divine intervention.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_...olf_Hitler
Tons of quotes about God in Mein Kampf and quotes about God in his speeches.
But, I doubt the accuracy of this next entry below . I see no way to say that Hitler didn't believe but was just using religion as an ends to a means. I think after the fact "historians" simply didn't like Hitler using his beliefs to gain support, and even in his own ranks the alleged "anti religion" rhetoric certainly happened, but moreso as a warning to any dissent and not an outright rejection of religion. There are too many pictures of him smiling at clergy and they smiling back in support to think it was in every single case an act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_...olf_Hitler
If Hitler hated religion, it wasn't that he hated the idea of god or some sort of providence, but the idea of ANY dissent to his power, including religion. And as a far as claiming to be a promoter of of a science based word, that too was bullshit, because no sane ethical scientist would advocate what the Nazis did. Again, that would have merely been his own distorted view of science, not a ethical science.
And even with atheists Hitler would have gone after any dissent there too. Here is a quote under the heading in black bold "Hitler and Atheism" from the last article listed above.
[quote=wiki article] During his career, and for a variety of reasons, Hitler made various comments against "atheistic" movements. He associated atheism with Bolshevism, Communism, and Jewish materialism.[139] In 1933, the regime banned most atheistic and groups in Germany—other than those that supported the Nazis [quote]
Believers will skip over that part of the article. So when you add his views up it still remains he had a belief and what he really hated was any dissent to his power, not all Christians though, nor did he support all atheists either. He would leave supporters alone of any label and oppress anyone who raised a peep of any label, including atheists.
