Transexuals

[Vincent]

you people kill me. If you do not understand what is being said then how can you hope to produce a whole page of topical dialog?

What I'm saying is a minority of a fraction of the 1%ers who are transexual (those who are in treatment) should not be making policy for literally hundreds of millions of other people who do not nor ever suffered from a mental illness.

Still not making any sense to me, Drich. What the heck are you talking about when you say "making policy for hundreds of millions who have not suffered from mental illness? Transgender people do NOT make policy for everyone. Are you talking about asking others to respect them and their gender identity? Well, for all the shit they have to go through, I think that would be the humane.... wait, maybe the CHRISTIAN thing to do. 

lol... In what world does personal experience trump the research and help offered in the world's largest non-profit research and medical center?

Idk... maybe because I'm referring to TRANSGENDER people, as you pointed to in your OP that we're supposed to be discussing. And you my friend, seem to have gone off the rails referring to anyone who has gender dysphoria whether or not they are trans. The other people are not the focus of the discussion, are they? I'm sure it's possible there are people not transgender who get gender dysphoria and they need a therapist. But I was under the impression we were speaking of the transgender community, most of whom go to a therapist for the purpose of being diagnosed with gender dysphoria so that they can be prescribed hormones. The other faction is a topic of another discussion. 
And btw, no one is making anyone transition. It's an individual's choice. 

Wrong again. Just like gay people not everyone with GID wants to change their sexual orientation. For those who want to find peace with their birth sex, their is treatment available.

Excellent! That's exactly right, Drich. If they know they're not trans and just need some help, then that treatment is available for them. 

Meanwhile, trans people can get the hormone treatment THEY want in order to help them. Because if an individual is trans, then that's all that's going to work. 

Actually it's still the offical medical term.

 
the DSM V might have a different opinion on the matter. I prefer to stay up-to-date. If you'd like to stick to older editions, I would also suggest you check DSM 1, where homosexuality was listed as a mental illness. 

again, so what, not apart of the discussion.

Is the topic still transgenders? Then yes, it is. If a trans individual wants to transition, chances are transitioning will be the only thing that will help them be happier. And isn't that the whole point? Gay conversion therapy.... Oh, I'm sorry.... TRANS conversion therapy is ineffective. 

And so too is GID 'attacked' in those who do not want to 'transition.'

OH MY GOD. 

It is attacked in people who are TRANSGENDER. If you have gender dysphoria but you know you're not trans, then the statements I'm making do not apply. No one is forcing anyone to transition. If you go to a therapist and tell them, "I'm having problems with my gender but I'm not trans", then they won't recommend hormone treatment and instead they'll pursue a different route. Common sense works wonders, my friend. 

Ah, no. the first thing a responsible doctor will do is try and determine if the individual wants to transition or not.

Well if a person says "I don't want to transition, because I'm not trans", then once again, we're not talking about a trans person and it is irrelevant to the thread from looking at the OP. 

 Again no. Their are many triggers to GID and of the 'curable ones' (hormonal imbalance/brain chemistry imbalance) treatement has proven to be possible and some indivisuals go one to live very happy lives with their birth sex.

Again, treatment is based on what the person wants.

I've made my point several times so I'm not going to do it again. 

We're not talking about people with gender dysphoria. We're talking about TRANSGENDER people suffering from gender dysphoria. If they want to transition, they're going to transition. No credible therapist will deny them that right. 

Yeah, because it is always a good idea to turn a blind eye to what you don't understand.

Oh the irony...