(April 15, 2016 at 9:43 am)abaris Wrote:(April 15, 2016 at 9:23 am)Brian37 Wrote: Luther's anti Jewish rhetoric still shaped Hitler's views and that does have a biblical source regardless.
Luther shaped Hitler least of all. I would say, not at all. Look up the names I've already mentioned in this very thread. Hitler was shaped by the belle epoque antisemitism of his time, which was largely political, social and economical. Luther didn't play a role because for one, Hitler never was a protestant and secondly because the environment of Vienna and Munich was deeply catholic.
But that aside, where he got his rabid antisemitism from is still up for dispute, since it's a known and proven fact that he socialised with jews when he lived at Vienna. He emerged from the first war being an antisemite. At least he claimed to be, since before joining the DAP, which he turned into the NSDAP, he was a "Reichswehr" informant for the regime of Kurt Eisner, who besides being a radical leftist, was a jew.
What he wrote in "Mein Kampf" isn't taken to be fact. It's a legend he surrounded himself with. The poverty as well as the early antisemitism. Hitler never was really poor, since he inherited a moderate sum of money and his extended family provided for him.
Ok ok,
Well this is also why getting stuck on labels you can argue over forever. But the truth is all you have to do to get humans to do very horrible things to others is to dangle a utopia in front of them, be it religious, political or business or a combo of those. I often see people with "Che" as their avatar too, and that guy pretty much played off the plight of the poor, but he was no hero of the poor.
Iran does it, Saudi Arabia does it, North Korea does it, Hitler did it, Stalin did it and while America is still pluralistic if you listen to our right wing, they love religious nationalism.
There is no perfect ideology of any kind of any aspect of society, there are only humans competing for resources. I'd only say that the west by comparison is far more in tune with the empathy of our species, but even then, we also have our pockets of nuts who seek to create a social pecking order as well. Life is ultimately diverse and messy so the push for a perfect ideology or utopia is stupid and dangerous.