(April 15, 2016 at 9:28 pm)AJW333 Wrote:(April 12, 2016 at 11:08 am)Divinity Wrote: The problem is with you, and not with my god who decided to make some bullshit rules about who you can have sex with.Like having sex with children? Are they bullshit rules too?
Holy fucking shit, do you want to make a larger leap in order to poison the well?
I'll give you a hint: pederasty hurts people, homosexuality does not.
Quote:(April 12, 2016 at 11:08 am)Divinity Wrote: You don't get to be happy, because God is more important."I guess that also applies to people who want to have sex with minors. Should we feel sorry for "minor attracted" people who were "made that way?" This is the argument they are putting out there in order to get their grubby little hands on innocent children.
If something is an inherent biological drive for a person, and that drive would cause harm to another, then why wouldn't a certain level of empathy be engendered? I get that it's fundamentally icky, but if it's not something they have any control over then they've been placed in a situation beyond their control that stacks the social deck against them incredibly. Now, given the inherent harm in actually obeying that drive, we should still have an ironclad expectation that they not just go along with what they want, and that they do deny themselves, but you can abhor the action while still recognizing that the desire may not be something actively under their control.
I'm not, by the way, saying that pedophilia is actually some inborn trait necessarily, because I'm not prepared to do the research on that here, just that there's a lot more nuance than your desperate mud slinging would suggest. I actually do know that there's a group of people out there that are attracted to children yet abstain from acting on it out of a desire to keep people from harm. I saw an article about them not too long ago; do they not deserve some sympathy for being in a position out of their control that adversely affects them, even when they resist as best they can and get treatment?
Quote:In my country, in order to get gender reassignment surgery, you have to have a doctor diagnose you with gender dysphoria. Which is a mental disorder where you feel that you are the wrong gender to what your genes and anatomy otherwise indicate. So if this is a disorder, shouldn't we be trying to correct it? That would mean trying to harmonize the mind with physical reality. As far as I know, gender dysphoria is the only condition where the treatment is to go with the disease rather than to fight it. Doesn't sound like good medicine to me.
Why are you presuming that transitioning is not a cure? The symptoms go away, the underlying problem is addressed and the patient incurs no adverse affects: even within the context of your analogy, that seems like a far more effective cure- in fact, the definition of a cure- than anything your bigoted pals might come up with. In fact, we've already seen the harm your ilk causes, and we've seen the benefits that come from not simply assuming dysphoria to be a negative thing based on some old book: why would we ever go for the harmful option knowing what we know now?
Moreover, the mind is a process of the brain, which is part of the physical reality, so why prioritize other parts of the body over the brain? At best, you've got two conflicting physiological signals- the brain saying one thing, and the body saying another- so my question is: why are you favoring the genitals over the brain? What reason do you have for the assumptions riddled throughout what passes for an argument from you?
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