(April 17, 2016 at 4:57 am)AJW333 Wrote:(April 16, 2016 at 3:59 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: God didn't make that rule, so no it's not bullshit.Sure he did. The Jews weren't allowed to have sex outside of marriage and no one in Israel married children.
And you think the same status as a "proper" Israelite woman was applied to captives taken in war? Get real.
As for "no one married children", the age of 12 is when the Bat Mitzvah takes place, announcing that she is a grown woman. Think that's not when they were married, back in the day?
(April 17, 2016 at 4:57 am)AJW333 Wrote:(April 16, 2016 at 3:59 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: In fact to show you how evil your god is, he clearly mandates that his people rape the young girls of their defeated enemies:This doesn't say to rape the girls. As I indicated, sex was forbidden outside marriage so these girls would have been spared and married at a later stage.
'Numbers 31 7-18'
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
I don't see anywhere that says sex is forbidden outside of marriage, in the Biblical passages. I do see a lot of stuff chirping on about the importance of virginity in your bride-to-be, however. So you honestly think, in the midst of a brutal war, that the purpose of saving only the virgins (and murdering anyone who's not) is to save them for later in order to be properly married? Get real, man!
(April 17, 2016 at 4:57 am)AJW333 Wrote:(April 16, 2016 at 3:59 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: So before you go on at us about morality, fucktard, have a word with the little delusional schizophrenic voice inside your head about your own morality.The "delusional voice" inside my head says that despite what I would like to say or do, I need to exercise self-control, exhibit patience and kindness and demonstrate the love of God.
Wow, if only that was the case. Instead, what you do is soak up a lot of ancient tribal Israelite prejudices (almost at random, it seems to us, anyway, since y'all don't worry too much about divorce or try to pass laws banning "taking the LORD's name in vain", etc.) that you use to excuse all sorts of astounding hatreds, which you call "love".
You "demonstrate the love of God" by telling people who are marginalized (often to the point of suicide, so strong is our human instinct to Belong) that they should remain hidden from view in the closet, or become just like you, in order to not be hit with theocratic laws that take away their rights simply because the majority feels "uncomfortable" about them... with all the nausea-inducing post-hoc explanations that almost explain to others who question it that it's not "really" as hate-filled as it seems. When you are stopped from doing so (as with the recent SCOTUS case about marriage laws that exclude), you whine about how you're under attack, even though you're the only ones really harming people. Whine all you like, but I don't see any Christians killing themselves because they just can't take the way they're treated by society for their identity.
You "demonstrate the love of God" by hijacking government ceremonies which are supposed to be for all of us (not to mention our money and our national motto being "edited" to include your God, during the 1950s, by you people) with prayers that have no reason to be a part of the ceremony except to honor your own traditions (yes, even if you sometimes tolerate prayers from other groups), and try in every other way to coerce this country to let you retain the dominance of the culture you enjoyed before the Enlightenment and the Civil Rights movement(s) began to chip away at it... which you then, annoyingly, refer to as being persecuted. Gag me.
You "demonstrate the love of God" by spreading false and misleading information about the claims of science (often because you don't know the actual claims of science, granted, because you believed someone else who lied to you, within your religious social circles), attacking those who prefer to be skeptical about the claims of others and believing what they believe only as thoroughly as it has been demonstrated to be factual...and being willing to change our minds in the light of new evidence. Yet we are the least-trusted people, in polls taken on the subject; easier to be a Muslim or Christian homosexual and attain office, in this country! That's not even counting what families and small communities (or the entire Southern USA) do to people who openly admit they are atheists... even though a significant percent of us are Secular Humanists or something similar, who believe in making the world a better place through human cooperation and kindness. Christians vilify us endlessly with caricatures like God is not Dead (and its sequel!), which make us look like the worst people imaginable just so y'all can enjoy your martyr complexes.
And so on and so on, ad infinitum.
Oh, yes, we see how you demonstrate God's love. Might be part of why (other than our own literacy) we think your God is a monster.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.