(western) classical music discussion

[Rev. Rye]

Apart from Wagner having been an asshole, he's anything but boring. But the composer being an asshole never prevented me from enjoying his music.

Honestly, I have to say, if you dismiss a great artist's work solely because he was a terrible person (or at least a jackass; even bearing in mind Hitler's love for Wagner and their alarmingly similar views on the Jews, I can't figure out which is more apt, especially given that the evidence that Wagner's anti-semitism truly influenced Hitler's is fairly shaky), the arts would likely be much poorer for it. Chuck Berry is a convicted sex offender, D.W. Griffith was so racist that one of his films actually horrified many during "The Nadir of American Race Relations", Eugene O'Neill was an inveterate drunk who abused his family and disowned all three of his children in between writing plays that ushered in a new era of American drama, and Mozart, as I'm sure we all know, was a twat. But imagine the musical, literary, and cinematic world without any of these people.

Speaking of atonality. I wonder why noone mentioned Giörgy Ligeti before.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED, MUTHAFUCKA!

Here's a piece my favourite film director of all time used in his last movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3SgDybR5lA

and in context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DExkPNbo7I