RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 8, 2016 at 11:53 am
(This post was last modified: May 8, 2016 at 12:02 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 8, 2016 at 11:34 am)pool the great Wrote: *What happens in the next second is dependent on what has happened in the previous second.
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* I.e, the future is dependent on everything that has happened in the past.
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*The future is dependent on the past that we were not a part of, I.e, before we were born.
I'd describe this all as different examples of premise 1:
P1. Causality implies by definition that past actions follow the future.
I'd say that's indeed true by definition, a tautologically 100% sound premise, true by definition.
Quote:*I.e, we have no control over the future.
I.e., premise 2:
P2. Causality exists.
I agree with the premise that causality exists, and whilst not tautological/true by definition, it is very sound and reasonable. I think we can all agree that not believing in cause and effect is rather silly.
Quote:What do you think of my argument?
I'd appreciate if Hammy could also give him opinion.
I'd say it's less of a valid argument and more like two sound premises, my question is, what is your conclusion? Do you conclude from these premises that free will doesn't exist? I make that conclusion.
I'd make the conclusion:
C. Therefore free will doesn't exist
If that is your conclusion I'd say it's a valid argument, as well as having sound premises, and therefore fully sound. It lacks validity without a conclusion, just as it would lack soundness without sound premises, but to be a fully sound sound argument would require both sound premises and a valid conclusion from those sound premises ("soundness" means both "the combination of sound premises and a valid argument" and also just the sound premises themselves, it has two meanings, which can be confusing, I know, lol).
-Hammy
ETA: There is another implict premise omitted too for me to complete the argument:
If causality exists free will cannot exist
So I'd make the full argument:
P1. Causality implies by definition that past actions follow the future.
P2. If causality exists free will cannot exist.
P3. Causality exists.
C. Therefore free will does not exist.
-Hammy