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Free Will - Yes/No?
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
(May 8, 2016 at 1:21 pm)Losty Wrote:
(May 8, 2016 at 1:13 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Are you arguing for the existence of souls?

Lolwut?

No I was asking questions. I was thinking that the brain is you and you are the brain so why can't it be that the brain process is your will (excepting of when the brain is malfunctioning)? Your brain is not an external force.

Yes, your will is also a brain function. Beyond that, I defer to Evie's wisdom on the matter, as disseminated above.

(May 8, 2016 at 1:27 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(May 8, 2016 at 12:59 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Knowledge determines existence, not the other way around.


What do you mean "knowledge determines existence"?


Quote:You can't prove non-causality because it doesn't make any sense, not because causality is a sure thing. 
You can't prove non-causality or causality, regardless of the fact that causality makes sense and non-causality doesn't.

Quote:But causality is a sure thing.

Then prove it.

Quote:It is the epitome of certainty.

No, "all bachelors are unmarried" is the epitome of certainty.


Hammy Wrote:Prove that two events don't just coincide out of some ridiculously improbable massive coincidence rather than actually one causing the other. 


EP Wrote:This doesn't make one iota of sense, no matter how I try to spin it.

Okay let me rephrase: Think of any two events happening, one event follows the other, all evidence points to one causing the other. Now try to use logical argument to absolutely prove that one caused the other. You can't do it because no one can do that, it's not logically provable because the opposite always remains logically possible.

-Hammy


We experience the world through our minds. Our minds explain everything through causality. Since causality and non-causality can't both be true, it's either one or the other, causality is real and non-causality isn't, and not only that, it's also impossible. That's all there is to it. No need to over-complicate things.
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Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:00 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 3:32 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Fake Messiah - May 8, 2016 at 5:15 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Alex K - May 8, 2016 at 5:21 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:13 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 5:29 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 7:50 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 5:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 6:06 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:14 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 12:20 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by paulpablo - May 8, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 7:52 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by deleteduser12345 - May 8, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 4:44 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by paulpablo - May 8, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 5:16 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 5:59 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:24 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:35 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:46 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:54 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by brewer - May 8, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 8:17 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 8:20 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:12 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 9:29 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 9:27 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by vorlon13 - May 8, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Aroura - May 8, 2016 at 2:42 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 3:29 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 10:49 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by PETE_ROSE - May 8, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Whateverist - May 8, 2016 at 11:05 am
Free Will - Yes/No? - by LadyForCamus - May 8, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:15 am
Free Will - Yes/No? - by LadyForCamus - May 8, 2016 at 11:22 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:29 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:35 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:03 pm
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Free Will - Yes/No? - by LadyForCamus - May 8, 2016 at 12:05 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 12:24 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:44 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:38 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 1:27 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:41 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:05 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 1:56 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 1:31 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 1:48 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 4:32 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 6:15 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 9, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 7:34 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm
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