RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 8, 2016 at 4:35 pm
(This post was last modified: May 8, 2016 at 4:37 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 8, 2016 at 2:15 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Nothing exists outside the mind, to argue otherwise is completely irrational.LOL that that's hilarious. So I take it you don't believe in evolution then because as far as you are concerned nothing existed until minds capable of conceptualizing existence existed...
Quote:Existence is a mental concept.No the concept of existence is a concept. Existence is not a concept. The concept of existence is a concept. A cup of coffee is not a concept. The concept of a cup of coffee is a concept. Love is not a concept. The concept of love is a concept. God is not a concept. The concept of God is a concept. Superman is not a concept. The concept of superman is a concept. A cheeseburger is not a concept. The concept of a cheeseburger is a concept. [fill in the blank] is not a concept. The concept of [blank] is a concept. Existence and essence are separate, what something is and whether it exists is a separate question. Get it yet?
Quote:Without the mind, there are no mental concepts. Thus no existence.
Without the mind, there are no mental concepts. Thus no concept of existence.
Without the mind there is still the rest of reality. Thus there is an existence (besides again, what on earth would the nonexistence of existence itself be?).
Quote:I don't believe objective reality doesn't exist outside the mind, I know for a fact it doesn't.
If you redefine existence to mean "the concept of existence", sure. But if the concept of existence is existence then wouldn't that make the concept of that be the concept of the concept of existence? Furthermore what about actual existence, actual objective reality? Do you call that reality but like to redefine existence as "the concept of existence" so if it's a concept what is it a concept of? Itself? But it itself is a concept so it's a concept of a concept of itself? That's completely vacuous EP.
Are you saying objective reality is identical with the concept of objective reality?
Quote:Again, it's pretty simple, you're just over-complicating stuff.
You're confusing terms. If "existence" is just a concept then what is it a concept of? And what is actual objective reality indepndent of whether minds exist then, what would you call that? Would you not call that "existence"?
-Hammy
