Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God

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Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God

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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God

May 9, 2016 at 10:28 am

Awesome job summing it all up! Smile

(May 9, 2016 at 10:12 am)MrSantaClaus Wrote: As is evident from many of the comments, few have bothered to actually read the post before commenting. I have summarized it below for anyone who is unwilling to wade through its jargon.

A brief summary of the POTV as presented by TheMuslim:-
- Something is real.
- It is impossible for nothing to be real (in the event that this statement is denied, there is something that denies it and is real). If this statement can never be denied, it will always be true.

Some cosmologists will tell you that the sum of all energy (and mass is included here) in the Universe, is ZERO. Hence, all existence is... nothing...?! Tongue

(May 9, 2016 at 10:12 am)MrSantaClaus Wrote: - For this statement to be always true, something must always exist.
- Finite, conditional beings exist within boundaries, beyond which they are nonexistent.
- As such, something that is infinite, or not conditional, must exist.

TheMuslim believes that this demonstrates the existence of a deity.

Always is such a long time...

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Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God - by TheMuslim - March 12, 2016 at 2:39 am

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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God - by WinterHold - May 15, 2016 at 6:17 am

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