RE: Free will
May 23, 2016 at 5:02 am
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2016 at 5:04 am by Ignorant.)
(May 22, 2016 at 6:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It doesn't matter how it is, to me, that there are things which I will do no matter what. I made no claim, make no claim, and do not need any claim as to a mechanism. Again, things that I will do no matter what do not seem, to me, like choices - let alone free will. I have considered your comments. You know my opinion.
Well, I get that. A thing may happen "no-matter-what" either because it is impossible that it could happen any other way (i.e. a metaphysical necessity), or because relevant conditions determine that this possible thing happens rather than another possible thing (i.e. a contingent act). Consider something that no one disputes as having a free-will:
Fruit trees can make fruit. Can you imagine a set of conditions in which a fruit tree will not make fruit? Can you imagine a set of conditions in which a fruit tree will certainly make fruit?
If you answered yes to both, then a fruit tree's making fruit does not happen by metaphysical necessity. Instead, a fruit tree's making fruit is contingent upon certain conditions. At least one of those conditions (in a theistic reality) is God's creative action. Not only does God concurrently create the conditions necessary for the tree's fruit making, but he also creates the tree in such a way that its fruit making is contingent upon those conditions.
So, given the conditions being created by a god who knows what he is creating, and given that the tree is being created by him as making fruit contingently, god makes the conditions, and he makes the tree as making the fruit according to those conditions.
Does God know whether or not a particular tree will make fruit at a particular time? Yes. As the immediate creator of the tree, its contingency and the conditions surrounding it, he has immediate and infallible knowledge of the causes and the effects.
If he knows that the tree will make fruit, it is because he is creating it as making fruit according to the contingency of the tree's fruit making.
Does his infallible knowledge of what-will-happen mean that the tree makes the fruit necessarily (i.e. it makes the fruit independently from the conditions surrounding it)? No. God's participation does not suddenly remove the contingency, in fact, the contingent nature of the fruit-making is also directly created by god.
So what does this have to do with free-will? If you can't distinguish between necessity and contingency related to god's action, then you certainly can't distinguish between freedom (which requires contingency) and coercion/non-freedom.