(May 25, 2016 at 1:37 am)Ignorant Wrote:(May 24, 2016 at 7:09 pm)dyresand Wrote: I could keep arguing that the argument from contingency doesn't work i really can but i wont i refuse too.
I believe you. There is also no need to, this isn't the argument from contingency.
Quote:Foreknowledge and free will are not compatibly again i will say that with a all knowing god he/she/it has foreknowledge
there for we don't have free will.
You can say it as many times as you'd like. It is still not convincing if you don't give reasons for me to accept it.
Quote:Contingency meaning stuff already has happened and will happen because the future already exists there for there is no such thing as free will rather the illusion of it.
That is fine if that is what you mean by contingency, but it isn't what I mean (and most people). So I won't use the term anymore.
You have already said that an all-knowing being knows BOTH the things that actually happen, and the things that are possible, but don't happen. If he know the things that are possible-but-don't-happen, then they must be REAL possibilities.
If god knows all 6 possible outcomes of a rolled-die, AND he knows the actual single outcome of a rolled-die, then the 6 possibilities, and the 1 actual outcome are both real. If they are both real, then god's omniscience does not destroy the reality of the 6 possibilities, as possibilities.
Does that mean the free-will is real? NO!
What does it mean? It means that omniscience/omnipotence is compatible with multiple outcomes which depend on different conditions and circumstances.
If there is an all-knowing god, do I still have a 1/6 chance to roll a 3 with a 6-sided-die? YES!
So, God rolls the dice knowing which way they will fall ... but the dice have a choice ??