The Problem of Evil (XXVII)

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This is why I use suffering. Something as simple as pain.

Could god achieve his plan without suffering? I don't even care what his plan is.

If yes, he's choosing to include the possibility of suffering, and then allowing it to happen, when he needn't have. This is not consistent with benevolence. He makes the rules, remember.

If no, he's not all powerful. If he requires suffering due to some external constraint, he's not omnipotent.

If you want to argue that it's debatable if suffering happens, I'm all out of ways to be reasonable.

"Pain is there to warn of danger." Yes, danger he also decided to include, by the same argument. You can't credit him and excuse him at the same time.

So what's left? He didn't see it coming?