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The Ontological Argument - valid or debunked?
RE: The Ontological Argument - valid or debunked?
(June 22, 2016 at 12:09 am)KevinM1 Wrote:
(June 21, 2016 at 6:19 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I don't need to give my family gifts but I do because I love them and I do so out of my abundance, not deficiency.

So, you don't hope to feel loved or appreciated in return?  Ever?

I ask because a self-contained, complete, perfect being would never have the desire to feel loved or appreciated in return.  There would be no impetus for creation because this creature can never be lonely, or emotionally empty, or bored, or curious.  A perfect being would be utterly unlike what is presented in most holy texts.  It wouldn't get angry (anger is a reaction to some perceived slight... what could inferior beings do to slight a perfect being?).  It wouldn't want to see our happy faces because our happiness wouldn't be a meaningful addition to its self-contained infinite happiness.

Creating a vast universe, with one planet (that we know of) that's populated by inferior creatures is absurd for a tri-omni being.  Period.  There's no justification for it, because perfection creating something in addition to itself is:

1. Inefficient.  The most efficient state of being is itself, alone.
2. Illogical.  Inferior creatures cannot give this creator being anything it doesn't already have.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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RE: The Ontological Argument - valid or debunked? - by KevinM1 - June 22, 2016 at 1:24 pm

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