Human Race: Your Numbers Up

[Cinjin]

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objection here. Firstly, this is just your opinion, and thank god for that, cause if everybody treated this opinion of yours as some kind of 'truth' we'd have nothing but dry rainforests, fish free seas and oil coating the surface of the ocean. Secondly, how is having enough food for everyone on the planet a question of "how does this work out efficiently?" What "industry is being damage" when we run out of water or fuel? We ask those questions all the time and quite frankly ... we're trying to do both... protect the planet AND feed the masses.

Value is a subjective quantity. Rainforests do a relatively small amount for us, fish free seas would have us lose wild seafood (which means that an entire industry that I happen to value somewhat highly would be shut down), and why the fuck would we dump oil into the oceans when tourism absolutely thrives on beaches?

We don't need to have enough food/water/fuel on the planet for everyone, and it would be inefficient and damaging on a whole for everyone to receive all of that. We are not going to run out of water. We may run low to the point that many die... but there will still be water.

It's moronic to try to feed the masses without a controlled population. Start limiting births, and you can start talking about trying to feed everyone. It's even more ridiculous to try to accomplish protecting the planet when the most damaging thing to it *is* that massive unchecked population.

An example: China has lost millions of acres of farmland due to massive water shortages. This in turn, does no allow them to grow the necessary food they need to support their own country. This is happening elsewhere. It's happening all over. Read the article I posted ... it's easy to have a cavalier attitude about the earth's resources when you've got a full belly and plenty of video games to play.

It is quite easy for me to let them starve and die while I have a full belly and enjoy myself. I am willing to cut a portion of what is mine to give it to others... but I am not willing to try to feed every member of a population I do not support.

The concern over this planet is not misguided and here's why ... we don't want people to die. You would be right if all we were talking about was the overall survival of the earth itself. Yep, no problem, the earth will survive just fine. But since many of us are concerned more about the people living on this planet - we can't afford the luxury of sharing your attitude and just ignore the amount of resources that have been diminishing over the past 30 years. The article clearly states that if the all the nations of the world used what the US and the UK use in resources we would need two more planets just to sustain human life on this one. And the world is very quickly moving in that direction.

People do die, and I accept this. Do I want a few billion people to die? Absolutely. Do I also want science to step up and support an even larger population? Of course. I feel it is worthless to help someone that can't control themself, and similarly will see control before I'm going to attempt to help with anything past helping them gain control.

You *can* support the luxury of sharing my attitude, and you can also ignore the amount of resources that have been diminishing since life came into being on this planet. Many countries do not have masses nearly so rich as I, and the US hopefully uses much more than the UK. We have a larger population after all.

Ending on my original point: There is much concern by the scientific community that the human race could be in real trouble in the relatively near future.

And why not encourage those scientists to do what they can to mitigate the damage done by the rampaging toddler that is humanity? The human race is always in real trouble, and with all these idiotic military alliances and human rights conventions: we do not war nearly enough. It's all well and good that people want to be all nice to each other... but they are fools that think a change in philosophy without a change in how we act comes without cost.

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Hell, I'm just going to say it.

I think the human race will be driven to the very brink of extinction before it can stop destroying this planet. Earth will be fine ... eventually ... as long as the majority of us aren't on it. Sadly.

It won't be driven to the brink of extinction before it changes its collective attitude... but it will likely be as a result of many of it dying

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in terms of nuclear war, any of you guys played fallout?

in my opinion i dont think our race is in any immediate trouble, sure we're running out of resources which could set us back technologically for a while but we'll certainly overcome it. we'll be around for millions of years to come no doubt.

Mutation by nuclear war is in no way that severe. Most will die to the radiation long before they can mutate at all... and those things that do mutate will do so marginally.

However, we are going to be around for millions of years to come if not eternity.

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You have a cold cold heart ... and no amount of debate on my behalf can change that. Clearly you have made up your mind about the value you put on human life - little to none. Disturbing - but really no surprise I spose after I read your remark about 9/11.