RE: Muslim Imam calls for Homosexual death 3 weeks before pulse nigh club shooting
June 29, 2016 at 9:18 am
(June 28, 2016 at 4:51 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='1316976' dateline='1467144219']
If you are an OT Jew yes, but even the jews now are not considered to be "OT Jews."
No actually he does not.
He said he did not come to change the law, He did not say it "still stands."
I'm afraid you are mistaken, Jesus did expressly say all the Old Testament law still applies:
Quote:Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.You seem to be lost in your specific translation and it's wording... Allow me to provide you with one that reads a little more fluently:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
17 “Don’t think that I have come to destroy the Law of Moses or the teaching of the prophets. I have come not to destroy their teachings but to give full meaning to them. 18 I assure you that nothing will disappear from the law until heaven and earth are gone. The law will not lose even the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter until it has all been done.
19 “A person should obey every command in the law, even one that does not seem important. Whoever refuses to obey any command and teaches others not to obey it will be the least important in God’s kingdom. But whoever obeys the law and teaches others to obey it will be great in God’s kingdom. 20 I tell you that you must do better than the teachers of the law and the Pharisees. If you are not more pleasing to God than they are, you will never enter God’s kingdom.
So what did Jesus say on the cross just before he died?
When he tasted the wine, he said, “It is finished.” Then he bowed his head and died.
Now back to Mat 5:18 Jesus came to 'full fill the law and in your version verse 18 says I assure you that nothing will disappear from the law until heaven and earth are gone. The law will not lose even the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter until it has all been done.
Which again was completed on the cross when Jesus died.
Yes the law remains as heaven and earth are here, but it has indeed changed as the law has been full filled. Which means a NT Christian (one who has received the atonement offered by Christ) is not judged by the law as a means to righteousness. Or the law is not used to 'judge the morality' of the sanctified believer. When a believer is judged it is the righteousness of Christ himself that is judged.
Or do you not understand the divide between OT Judaism and NT Christianity. If NT Christians were to follow ALL the laws and if none of them changed then we'd be OT jews. as it is our dietary, social and even moral laws all have changed. So clearly your interpretation of Mat 5 is wrong.
Quote:And the problem this gives you is that if you do want to disavow the barbarism of the Old Testament, you undermine the Bible's only claim to authority, being that it is the word of God, and you undermine the notion that Christianity and the Bible are the source of Morality. So I would ask you: Do you believe that the Bible is the word of God? Is the Bible an accurate portrayal of God's character?Again your summation does not account for the changes in Christianity that were enacted by the forfathers of this religion. Jesus' very own disciples are those one's who made the initial schism from Orthodox Judaism. It was under peter's own voice that set the holy Spirit out among the people. something only the Prophets of the OT experienced prior, yet from acts 2 forward everything about this religion undermines the limited capacity in which God had contact before, but somehow in 2000 years was the 'morality of the bible' questioned based on this change. (not by the church anyways.)
Quote:I would agree that there needs to be a lot more public condemnation for Islamic terrorist activities by Muslims. Islam would be easier to deal with if there was a centralized authority. I don't think that all 1.6 Billion Muslims are likely to be in favour of the murder of homosexuals, but I would be surprised if there were not many millions who are.THERE IS A CENTRALIZED AUTHORITY!!! And despite what an individual says his personal views are there is a active and standing command to murder all Homosexuals under the laws of their god. Watch the Video in the OP This command to murder gays comes from their centralized authority!!!