(July 3, 2016 at 9:23 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: It was in the Allies interest to completely discredit the Nazi philosophy. The idea that the Nazis had tried to exterminate all of the Jews was perfect for that. Now, in reality, the Nazis were some mean bastards and they did in fact kill a lot of Jews. But remember, before the war the Zionists had waged economic war against the German nation in an effort to cripple the national economy. And before that, in WWI, the Zionists had actively encouraged other nations to attack Germany and Russia. They succeeded in installing a commie regime in Russia and tried their best to do so in Germany. They were following Theodore Herlz's blueprint in the Zionist State. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso...erzl2.html You can read his book at that link. You will see that Herlz's plan was to create a durable nemesis so that the German Jews would be forced to move to Palestine and steal it from the Palestinians. He wanted the poor German Jews to go first and do all of the heavy work. Later the rich Jews would move in and take over.
You know what, for the sake of this argument, let's ignore the physical and photographic evidence, and the testimonies of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people who lived through it, whether survivors, liberators, or even perpetrators. Let's also say that the Allies had the means, motive, and opportunity to fabricate these massive crimes against humanity. How likely is it that they could have sustained it for over seventy years with virtually nobody in on it defecting?
It's a well-known fact in social psychology that a conspiracy is only secure enough as its weakest link. The more links there are, the more likely it is that one of them's going to crack eventually. How many people can sustain a conspiracy for any amount of time?
It should be noted that for the Allied conspiracy model of the Holocaust to work, it would require the cooperation of at least:
- All the people who would claim to be survivors, a number estimated to be (in 1945) around 3.14 million people. And, of course, it's clear that they would have been in on it.
- The members of the allied powers, American, British, and Soviet, and others, willing to create and build up the lie.
- Likely, the millions of survivors who would have to fake their own deaths (a very tricky thing to do for a single person, let alone several millions) to fulfill the "Six Million" figure (technically eleven million, if one counts the Gentiles). [Note: many of this number did die of causes other than direct Nazi cruelty, due to things like Typhus. It should be noted, however, that this cannot sufficient to explain all the deaths; in the Civil War, Andersonville prison had generally many of the same problems as Auschwitz, everything except for mass killings, with the added problems of living in a time before germ theory had caught on and in a place where, due to Lincoln's embargo, supplies were extremely low. The total death rate there: 25%.] This stage would have to involve 4.5 million people at least.
- The Germans who actually admitted to taking part in the atrocities.
How big can a conspiracy be before it collapses under its own weight? A recent peer-reviewed paper, taking as its models the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, the PRISM NSA affair, and the FBI forensics coverup, actually proposed a mathemetical model for how many conspirators would have to take for a conspiracy to likely be uncovered. The author, David Robert Grimes, even included a chart mapping the maximum number of conspirators for a 5% chance of failure during a specific window of time.
Grimes also included some test studies, testing how many people would be required for certain coverups and how long it would take before the possibility of conspiracy collapse became inevitable (distinct from the table above). For instance: Grimes calculated that for NASA to cover up a faked moon landing would have required 411,000 people. It also suggested that with this number, it would have taken 3.68 years for the conspiracy to collapse.
The equation used, and how it is derived, is in the paper, but, honestly, the math is quite complicated. Perhaps someone more congenial to advanced math could calculate how long it would take for the conspiracy to collapse under its own weight.
Perhaps even if, for the sake of the equation, we assume only the 3.14 million survivors were in on it (which would be a laughably conservative figure for this conspiracy), I would lay good money on the odds that, if we assigned a starting date on January 27, 1945 (the day the Soviets liberated Auschwitz), this would reach inevitable failure before the Nuremberg defendants were sentenced. Perhaps it would even have reached that point by V-J Day. As an additional measure, I am contacting the author of the paper to see what he thinks it would be, and, if he replies, I can guarantee there is no way it would have survived to this day.
TL;DR. If the Holocaust was just a conspiracy thought up by the allied powers to discredit the Nazis, there is no way it could have possibly have survived this bloody long without being discredited. Especially without some eyewitness saying something to the contrary.
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