Muslim Imam calls for Homosexual death 3 weeks before pulse nigh club shooting

[Drich]

Well, there's no way I'm going to wade through piles of posts stretching over 3 or more thread. So, fine...I'll rephrase: 

You believe the massacre was a punishment towards the West for attacking the perpetrator's homeland, and that the choice of venue was simply a means for the perpetrator to atone for his homosexual urges/sin; nothing more. The fact that the LGBT community would use this act of terror to push their douchey, liberal agenda is shameful.

Better now?

You still don't get it...
At Pulse it was also Latin night.. Let's say the latino community leaders decided to make this about an attack or racial discrimination against latino people. and let's say they latino community leaders including Marco rubio (who is this district's senator) Pushes for legislation protecting all latinos from a threat directed at all of us, not just Gays or latinos... In essence this politician uses the deaths of 49 people to push a political agenda furthering what the latino community wants for itself... In contrast to what actually happened:

A domestic naturally born muslims man struggled with his sexuality. He knows it a sin, but can help what he feels... He has no way to atone for his sin, till one day a high ranking offical in his religion tells him he must kill and be killed and then all will be forgiven. He struggles with this for weeks or day, and then puts a plan together to atone for his sin. The plan is to strike out against the culture which has poisoned him, and to help these gay people to also be forgiven for their sin...

But again all of this was buried so Homosexuality as a political statement could gain legitimacy and power at the cost of 49 people's deaths.

And the rest of America remain ignorant of how much of a threat Islam Can indeed be.

I was just wondering why you would suddenly be concerned with the matter, if not pushing an agenda of your own.

My agenda is to bring awareness on how volatile a member of the Muslim community can be if they do not like society and have a outstanding need for 'redemption.' This whole thing could just as easily been about women and how they dress at night clubs..

Irony man, irony. 
Get it?

No, because my 'agenda' is to bring out the truth... so then how is that an agenda unless you support the propaganda we are fed? That political messages are more important than giving our citizens the truth to work with..

So not news...
A main stream mosque invites a main stream imam to speak and he speaks a mainstream Islamic message that says Kill Gay people so they can have a chance at attonement... Then 3 weeks later someone struggling with his homosexuality does this very thing!

Of course it would be news if there were an indication that the attacker actually heard this Imam's particular message. Did he? 

Yes he faithfully attended the mosque chain that this guy spoke at.

If that's the case, I'd agree that this video should've seen more airtime, as it would be reasonable to suggest it was a possible and/or likely motivation for the shooter's actions. Otherwise it's just one of many hate-filled diatribes aimed at the wicked, wicked West. 

There is no sign in sheet, that put him in attendance but this was his mosque, one he attended 'religiously.'

one of the things the FBI is holding are some of the things this guys said was his primary motivation. We in orlando heard from club goers what was said, and according to them this was all religious in nature, from support of IsIS and the taliban to picking his target. but again that info is being with held as "to not allow the shooters wishes of this being a religious political statement." Then they cite a FL law that allows them to with hold such info in an on going investigation. Which the local papers are suing the FBI to have released.

Perhaps you should tone down the hysteria and quasi- conspspiracy theorism, and resist suggesting that people are stupid or deficient because they don't immediately accept your suppositions as facts and subsequently conclude that some sort of hidden/shadow agenda is at play.

So.. dumb it down and make it more vanilla so it can be more easily digested...

Here's a thought.. Maybe the world does not work in a vanilla way.. Maybe inorder for a person to shoot up a night club and do so not in a 'crazy way' but a way consistent with his basic religious beliefs, it means not everything you are told or understand about this religion is true.. Maybe just maybe you've been lied to and what I am saying is not "hysterical and quasi- conspspiracy theorism" but what is actually a true reflection of what is actually happening in the west...

What is foolish to me is the need you all seem to have to maintain the beliefs I have have conclusively shown to be flat out News video of a Imam preaching hate and from a position of authority calling for the deaths of gay people 3 weeks and less than 20 miles from the night club that got shot up, and you hear absolutely nothing about it. Why? It is because someone in a position of authority has squelched the circulation of this story. as it shines a negative light on this world view about tolerance and islam being a religion of peace, and the fact that one of the presidential candidates has committed to increase the flow of Syrian refugees 500% if she gets elected..

This all could be a coincidence, but again why has no one ran with this story?

Nope. My anti-indoctrination software's been recently updated.

Not sure why you would actually suggest that, without actually being clear on my thoughts regarding the matter. The leaps and bounds you're willing to take when making assumptions about people is astonishing, Drich. I've never seen anything quite like it.

I'm clear in your oppsition/the fact that you are trying your best to remain in the middle. You are refuting any information that would make you think differently. that my poor sister is the indoctrination hard at work...

heh heh...Last I heard it wasn't douchebag liberals who wanted to block any attempts at limiting hate-speech as being an attacks on religious expression. 

Can't have it both ways, sir.

citation please
(we shall see)

No, Drich. I'm referring to the safety of ordinary American citizens, including those who just happen be, or are even perceived as being Muslim.

So a hand full of out of hundreds of millions means we all must be kept in the dark and feed a load of BS? Guess what.. That does not work. It just makes us weak ignorant and vulnerable.

Truly look at how obvlious most of you are about basic islam... Which means anyone of that religion can say anything no matter how far fetched and you accept it (Cough* Islam is a religion of peace)

There's no hypocrisy. I'm actually of the opinion that radical Islam currently poses a greater security threat to the U.S. and U.S. interests than radical Christianity; I'm simply capable of recognizing the clear distinction between that, and the assertion that all or "most Muslims" are a security threat.

An important distinction...particularly when it comes to determining just what in the Hell's to be done about it, don't you think?

And what I am telling you, and what this video in the OP is telling you and what your president (albeit for a different reason) is telling you, there isn't any such thing as 'radical islam.' Radical islam would be possible if it were splintered like Christianity.. but it is not. Sunni Islam is the predominate sect. and what we deem as 'radical islam' is a perfectly acceptable expression of the muslim faith if indeed one is called to it.

Which again, my point being this guy was making a go of living in a westernized way till he heard the call to what you call radical Islam. that is the danger I am trying to show you guys. Anyone at any point having a crisis of faith/religion can be turned into a literal bomb, and this religion totally clashes with any societal rules/norms outside of it's own, that means a crisis of faith is bound to be a struggle every 'westernized' Muslim has to deal with or reconcile in one way or another.