(July 16, 2016 at 2:10 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Whether or not I am aware or not of those processes, I still have the free will to choose between one option or another.
And if those processes are taking place while I am weighing one option over another, clearly I still have the free will to choose.
A process is just that. The process of deciding over one way or another.
The universe is either causal or random as far as we know. If you're going to propose another idea you're pulling stuff out of your ass. Unless it actually is a good idea, go ahead and tell.
In the superdeterministic i.e causal universe you're in a candy aisle. You can decide between chocolate, vanilla and strawberry. Literally whatever the fuck you do, the one you chose was the only one you could choose because there is a causal chain. Everything including your neural nets movement and everything else for that matter is caused by something else, therefore the only possible choice you could've made was to pick the strawberry you picked. Even if let's say in that instance a friend next to you was talking about how free will doesn't exist and two minutes before you told him you wanted to buy the chocolate because you love chocolate. So before you picked the strawberry you told him "Look, I have free will, I have the urge to pick chocolate but I'll go for the strawberry!" Even that was in the causal chain, in short it was in the chain for you to believe in free will, for you friend to tell you it doesn't exist and for you to try demonstrate that by going against your urge. In the end you had only one choice because of the causal chain.
In the indeterministic i.e random/probabalistic universe you're in the same scenario. Vanilla, strawberry and chocolate. You pick the vanilla this time and in your brain; think of it like a dice being rolled everytime you decide something. It's free from determinism, but it's also free from choice. There's no choice, no reason nor analytical thinking in a random "decision"
Or simply put in the end you had no choice because there's no determinism in indeterminism.
The only reason Maelstrom in the candy aisle thought he had multiple choices is because he simply didn't know which one he would choose. It was his neural net evaluating which one was the "best" but even his neural net was bound to causality.
And, imagine your brain. Now imagine the same brain without consciousness, but it's still the same. I'd bet on the same brain without consciousness would just be as complex taking it's time before decisions were made but it wouldn't be aware of the multiple choices. It would just be the neural net interacting to evaluate which candy flavor is the best. And that neural net consists of particle, it too would be bound by the causal chain or rather it would be a part of the causal chain. So every evaluation it made was also in the causal chain, it couldn't have gone any other way.
