(April 7, 2009 at 12:06 pm)bozo Wrote:LOL ..I think you got me!(April 7, 2009 at 2:47 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You just take what comes bozo. God is the whole thing rather than a micro event. God is always good. That doesn't always coincide with our interests. It'd be egotistical to think otherwise. Nature is beautiful, good and bad.
Mr Frodo, you are mischievous and as slippery as a great big slippery thing...and quite entertaining!
Now please try to convince me/us that a killer earthquake is " good " and " beautiful "...I get how it could be " bad ".
When an Ant colony gets wiped out by some shift in the environment - we can see that as inevitable changes and things move on. There doesn't have to be a reason why Ant's should seek answers, but we know very well nature is just following nature's course. Yeah sure us fellow ants feel sad, we can't help that. This has no bearing on the shift.
I just happen to think that the physical universe is pretty awe inspiring. I need no other padding like religion etc to appreciate that.
(April 7, 2009 at 3:36 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(April 6, 2009 at 5:28 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 6, 2009 at 4:48 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Being grateful for what? For saving the lives that were saved (does that include those that were injured and maimed?) or for sending a lethal quake in the first fucking place?So you personally, not thinking about God, but just thinking as the perfect Atheist, wouldn't be grateful that you had survived in any way. Of course you'd probably be extremely sad at the grotesque scenes around you.
Who would I be grateful to? If I was rescued yes, I;d be very grateful to those who rescued me and who offered me help and comfort in my time of need but if I simply survived who exactly would I be grateful to? I'd be happy to have survived, consider myself lucky but grateful? I don't think so.
Do you have to be grateful to someone? Why can't you just be grateful yourself, alone. this is what I meant.
(April 7, 2009 at 3:36 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(April 5, 2009 at 3:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Seemingly your idea of God is not the God which is nature. Good and bad. Mine is. I can't excuse yours, he isn't my God.
I don't have a god and as has been said to you before your "god of nature" is pointless since you seem to be giving something a name which already has one, one that is perfectly adequate.
You just define a God so I call that yours. It isn't mine. Nature isn't God, but as God is in everything, God is in Nature. i.e. nature doesn't define God.
